Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-24-10 WT Study (BROTHERLY LOVE)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-24-10 WT Study (November 15, 2009, pages 20-24)(KEEP GROWING IN BROTHERLY LOVE)

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    KEEP GROWING IN BROTHERLY LOVE "Go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved you."--EPH. 5:2


    The WTS admits that showing love to each other is the true identifying mark of Christians not going house to house.

    Are jws the only ones know for going door to door talking about their beliefs? What about Mormons (LDS), Baptists,

    Methodists, Lutherans, all religions that have called at my home. If jws are not showing true love to their own members

    but still give the appearance of going door to door, they are not truly Christians.


    Q1. What important characterists of his followers did Jesus point to?

    PREACHING the good news of God's Kingdom from house to house is a trademark of Jehovah's Witnesses. Still,

    Christ Jesus chose a different facet of Christianity to identify his genuine disciples. He said, "I am giving you a new

    commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know

    that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves."--John 13:34,35.

    COMMENTSWhere does Jesus fit into this kingdom good news? The mention of Christ's Kingdom dropped off in the WT

    publications around 1991. Hmmm?

    (2 Thessalonians 1:8) . . .and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.

    Did you know that the WTS quibbled about it being Jehovah's w(not capitalized)itnesses until April 1976? They felt it

    was not the name of a religious group; it is also why older jws don't like the phrase "a Jehovah's Witness" being used

    but rather "one of Jehovah's witnesses.

    Q2,3. What effect does our brotherly love have on those who attend our Christian meetings?

    2 The love of the true Christian brotherhood has no equal in human society. Just as a magnet draws iron, so love draws

    Jehovah’s servants together in unity and attracts sincere ones to true worship. For example, take Marcelino, a man in

    Cameroon who lost his eyesight at work. After his accident, the rumor spread that he had become blind because he

    was a witch. Instead of giving him comfort, his pastor and other members of his church expelled him from the

    congregation. When one of Jehovah’s Witnesses invited him to a meeting, Marcelino hesitated. He did not want to face

    more rejection.

    COMMENTSTRUE Christian brotherhood--only jws
    Yes, there are many who are no equal because they are greater than what jws show.

    Jehovah's servants--only jws
    Remember than non-jws get love-bombed especially there are a potential source of "time" that can be turned in on their

    time slips. Once someone get baptized they are dropped like a hot potato. I can remember one new sister who could

    not understand the sudden change...I pointed out that she was baptized now and there attention was no on other

    unbaptized people.

    I have seen such rumors started and spread about jws. Little did Marcelino know the rejection jw style he was putting

    himself in position to receive. jws believe that bad things happen to jws who are not spiritual enough.

    3 Marcelino was surprised by what happened at the Kingdom Hall. He was warmly welcomed, and he gained comfort

    from the Bible teachings he heard. He began attending all congregation meetings, progressed in his Bible study, and

    was baptized in 2006. Now he is sharing the truth with his family and neighbors and has started several Bible studies.

    Marcelino wants the individuals studying the Bible with him to feel the same love he has experienced among God’s


    COMMENTSwarmly welcomed? My husband I visited one congregation outside our circuit 3 times in a year on vacation. It wasn't

    until the third time that a single woman with a teenager daughter who came up to say hello.

    Don't you wonder who warmly Marcelino is welcomed now compared to before his baptism?

    God's people--only jws

    Q4. Why should we take to heart Paul's admonition to "go on walking in love"?

    4 Appealing as it is, our brotherly love cannot be taken for granted. Think of a campfire burning at night, drawing people

    to its warm, flickering flames. Unless those enjoying the fire supply it with fuel, it will go out. Likewise, the wonderful

    bond of love in the congregation will weaken unless we as individual Christians work to strengthen it. How can we do

    so? The apostle Paul answers: “Go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved you and delivered himself up for

    you as an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling odor.” (Eph. 5:2) The question that we want to consider

    is, In what ways can I go on walking in love?


    individual Christians--only jws
    The catch-22 here is you feel that is not enough love, it is your problem and not that love is not being show in the congregation.

    “You, Too, Widen Out”

    Q5,6. Why did Paul urge the Corinthian Christians to "widen out"?

    5 To the Christians in ancient Corinth, the apostle Paul wrote: “Our mouth has been opened to you, Corinthians, our

    heart has widened out. You are not cramped for room within us, but you are cramped for room in your own tender

    affections. So, as a recompense in return—I speak as to children—you, too, widen out.” (2 Cor. 6:11-13) Why did Paul

    urge the Corinthians to widen out in their love?

    COMMENTSWiden out--do you have people in your congregation that except for a brief, "Hi, how are you," as they walk quickly by

    you to the person they really want to talk to? They never stop to hear your answer. I can remember one sister who had

    just been diagnosed with cancer had an elder do that; she ran after him and asked if he really wanted to hear her

    answer as she told him about her cancer. He said he didn't have time to talk now; and he still had not found the time

    when she died 5 months later. I'd like to say this is an exception, but it has been the rule in the 45 years I have gone to


    6 Consider how the congregation in ancient Corinth got its start. Paul came to Corinth in the fall of 50 C.E. Although his

    preaching work there began with difficulty, the apostle did not give up. In a short time, many in that city put faith in the

    good news. For “a year and six months,” Paul spent himself teaching and strengthening the new congregation. Clearly,

    he had deep love for the Corinthian Christians. (Acts 18:5, 6, 9-11) They had every reason to love and respect him in

    return. However, some in the congregation drew away from him. Perhaps a few did not like his frank counsel. (1 Cor.

    5:1-5; 6:1-10) Others may have listened to the slander of the “superfine apostles.” (2 Cor. 11:5, 6) Paul wanted the

    genuine love of all his brothers and sisters. So he entreated them to “widen out” by drawing close to him and other

    fellow believers.

    COMMENTSCorinth had been established by Paul as a congregation

    Who were the superfine apostles? Notice it wasn't the "weak" in the congregation that were avoiding Paul. Paul could

    write a letter admonishing these people, could we, who had no status? Were you subject to slander by others in the

    congregation? By the elders and their wives?

    Q7. How can we "widen out" in displaying brotherly love?

    7 What about us? How can we “widen out” in displaying brotherly love? Individuals in the same age bracket or of the

    same ethnic background may naturally be attracted to one another. And those with similar preferences in recreation

    often spend much time together. But if the interests that we share with some Christians separate us from others, we

    need to “widen out.” It would be wise to ask ourselves: ‘Do I seldom share in the ministry or social activities with

    brothers and sisters outside my intimate group? At the Kingdom Hall, do I limit my contact with those newly associated

    because I believe that they have to earn my friendship over time? Do I greet both older and younger ones in the


    COMMENTSWere you snubbed because of our age, ethnicity, lack of funds to participate in the same recreation? Did we reach out

    and were turned down for meals and social events at our own home? Did we find that in the last 5 years that we had

    never seen the inside of the home of the elders and they never had time to see ours? Did they say, "Some time we

    have to get together" and you realized they had said that for the last 7 years; had you tried to set up a time and found

    that their schedule was tightly booked for 6 months out, even 9 months out?

    Do jws limit their contact with new ones seeing them as dangerous spiritually? How about the elders who don't know

    the names of the children or the women in the congregation? Or too busy talking to the other elders they only have time

    to do the Hi-Goodbye quick walk by the older jws?

    Q8,9. How can Paul's counsel recorded at Romas 15:7 help us to greet one another in a way that enhances our

    brotherly love?

    8 In the matter of greeting one another, Paul’s words to the Romans can help us develop the proper view of our fellow

    worshippers. (Read Romans 15:7.) The Greek word there rendered “welcome” means “to receive kindly or hospitably,

    admit to one’s society and friendship.” When a hospitable host in Bible times received friends into his home, he let

    them know how happy he was to see them. Christ has figuratively welcomed us in that way, and we are exhorted to

    imitate him in welcoming fellow worshippers.

    COMMENTSWhat is the PROPER view of fellow worshippers (ONLY JWS)? Do they really take time to talk and "welcome" and

    admit to one's society? If 5 years have gone by without having had dinner even once at their house (and they do have

    others (CLOSE) friends) over, where is the hospitality in that?

    Do they really let people know how happy they are to see them or do they scowl because they have to take time away

    from the people they really like at the kh?

    9 As we greet our brothers at the Kingdom Hall and other places, we can pay attention to those whom we have not

    seen or with whom we have not spoken recently. Why not spend a few minutes conversing with them? At the next

    meeting, we can do the same with others. In a short while, we will have had delightful conversations with just about all

    our brothers and sisters. There is no need to worry if we do not get to speak with everyone on the same day. No one

    should take offense if we are not able to greet them at every meeting.

    COMMENTS(no sisters?) Do they really want to waste their time on people they have not seen (because they don't attend often

    enough) or they don't want to speak to

    Is it a strawman that they bring up they don't have to talk to everyone on the same day. How reasonable could that be if

    there are 70 people at a meeting. Can months go by and they not talk to certain people assuming that someone else

    will be responsible for that?

    Q10. What priceless opportunity is available to all in the congregation, and how can we take full advantage of it?

    10 Greeting others is the first step in welcoming them. It is a step that can lead to enjoyable discussions and lasting

    friendships. For example, when those attending conventions and assemblies introduce themselves to others and begin

    talking, they look forward to seeing one another again. Kingdom Hall construction volunteers as well as those sharing in

    relief work often become good friends because they get to know one another’s fine qualities through the experiences

    they share. The opportunities for forming lasting friendships abound in Jehovah’s organization. If we “widen out,” our

    circle of friends will grow, intensifying the love that unites us in true worship.


    What good is saying hi, how are you, if you never stop to hear their answer?
    We tried introducting ourselves to people who sat near us at the conventions, only to get the deer in the headlight look

    (oh, we have to waste our time talking to people we don't know; we came here to be with our family and close friends

    from our own hall); as they darted away to find their friends.

    The only time I saw friendships forged was when you worked with people in food service putting together sandwiches,

    setting the food stands, etc.

    Make Time for Others

    Q11. As shown at Mark 10:13-16, what example did Jesus set?

    11 All Christians can strive to be approachable, as Jesus was. Consider how Jesus responded when his disciples tried

    to prevent parents from bringing their children to him. “Let the young children come to me,” he said. “Do not try to stop

    them, for the kingdom of God belongs to suchlike ones.” Then “he took the children into his arms and began blessing

    them, laying his hands upon them.” (Mark 10:13-16) Imagine how thrilled those young ones must have been to be

    shown such loving attention by the Great Teacher!

    COMMENTSAll Christians--ONLY JWS
    How many jws take time to talk their own children in conversation at the meetings let alone the children of others?

    Q12. What can hinder us from conversing with others?

    12 Each Christian should ask himself, ‘Do I make myself available to others or do I often appear to be too busy?’

    Habits that are not wrong in themselves can sometimes raise barricades to conversation. If we frequently use a cellular

    telephone or use earphones to listen to recordings in the presence of others, for example, we may send the message

    that we prefer not to have their company. If others often see us engrossed in looking at a handheld computer, they

    might conclude that we do not care to speak to them. Of course, there is “a time to keep quiet.” But when we are

    around people, it is often the “time to speak.” (Eccl. 3:7) Some might say, “I prefer to keep to myself” or “I don’t feel

    like talking in the morning.” Nonetheless, engaging in friendly conversation even when we are not inclined to do so is

    evidence of love that “does not look for its own interests.”—1 Cor. 13:5.

    COMMENTSEach Christian--ONLY JWS
    Make available or appear to be too busy? I was told by many elders and MS that they were too busy with "important"

    congregation things

    I can tell you that many regular pioneers used their phones non-stop in the cars in field service. I wonder what they did

    before cellphones. So is the problem that people are using cellphones, earphones, handheld computers at the kh?

    Isn't this what is being discussed.

    Q13. What view of Christian brothers and sisters did Paul encourage Timothy to have?

    13 Paul encouraged young Timothy to have respect for all members of the congregation. (Read 1 Timothy 5:1, 2.) We

    too should treat older Christians as if they were our mothers and fathers and the younger ones as our siblings, that is,

    children of our own parents. When we have that attitude, none of our dear brothers and sisters will feel like strangers in

    our presence.

    COMMENTSHow do jw children treat their parents? With respect? what about siblings?

    Q14. What are some benefits of having upbuilding conversations with others?

    14 As we engage others in upbuilding conversation, we contribute to their spirituality and emotional well-being. A

    brother working at a branch office fondly remembers several older Bethelites who regularly took time to speak with him

    in his early days at Bethel. Their encouraging words made him feel that he really was part of the Bethel family. Now he

    tries to imitate them by conversing with his fellow Bethelites.

    COMMENTSSo what is "upbuilding" conversation? Is it like the conversation of the Watchtower Facebook page. Is it always about

    WT stuff? Is it always positive? Were the letters from Paul always positive; or did he give corrective counsel?

    Humility Helps Us to Make Peace

    Q15. What shows that we are not immune to disagreements?

    15 Euodia and Syntyche, two Christian sisters in ancient Philippi, apparently had some difficulty in resolving a problem

    that arose between them. (Phil. 4:2, 3) A heated dispute between Paul and Barnabas became public knowledge and

    resulted in their going separate ways for a while. (Acts 15:37-39) These accounts show that true worshippers are not

    immune to disagreements. Jehovah provides us with help to resolve conflicts and restore friendships. But he requires

    something of us.

    COMMENTS APPARENTLY--notice that there is no mention of the problem. Paul and Barnabas argued and stopped traveling

    together (now was that "positive").

    Did you have jws that would not talk to you and would not tell you what it was that offended them and for years?

    Q16,17. (a) How important is humility in resolving personal conflicts? (b) How does the account of Jacob's approach to

    Esau illustrate the value of humility?

    16 Imagine that you and a friend are going to take a trip by automobile. Before you can begin your journey, you must

    put a key into the ignition and start the car’s engine. The process of resolving personal differences is also started with a

    key. The key is humility. (Read James 4:10.) As shown by the following Scriptural example, that key allows those at

    odds with each other to begin applying Bible principles.

    COMMENTSWere the people I mentioned in paragraph 15 humble? If they don't apply bible principles (Matthew 18) and you try,

    what resolution can there be?

    17 Twenty years had passed since Esau became bitter over losing his birthright to his twin brother, Jacob, and wanted

    to kill him. The twins were about to meet again after all that time, “and Jacob became very much afraid and grew

    anxious.” He felt that there was a strong possibility that Esau would assault him. But at that meeting, Jacob did

    something Esau did not expect. He “proceeded to bow down to the earth” as he approached his brother. What

    happened next? “Esau went running to meet him, and he began to embrace him and fall upon his neck and kiss him,

    and they burst into tears.” The danger of a fight was averted. Jacob’s humility helped to overcome whatever hatred

    Esau might have harbored.—Gen. 27:41; 32:3-8; 33:3, 4.

    COMMENTSOT example--Jacob/Esau

    So is the WTS suggesting that we take 20 years like Jacob did to make peace with our family?

    There is no mention as to whether they every saw each other again.

    Q18,19 (a) When personal conflicts arise, why is it essential that we take the initiative to apply Scriptural counsel? (b)

    Why should we not give up if the other person does not at first respons in a positive way?

    18 The Bible contains excellent counsel on resolving conflicts. (Matt. 5:23, 24; 18:15-17; Eph. 4:26, 27)* Unless we

    humbly apply that counsel, however, making peace will be difficult. Waiting for the other person to show humility is not

    the solution when we too are holding the key in our hand.

    *See the book Organized to Do Jehovah's Will, pages 144-150.

    COMMENTSSo why did Jacob wait 20 years?

    19 If our initial attempts to make peace seem unfruitful for some reason, we should not give up hope. The other person

    may need time to sort out his feelings. Joseph’s brothers dealt treacherously with Joseph. It was a long time before

    they faced him as prime minister of Egypt. Finally, however, they had a change of heart and begged for forgiveness.

    Joseph pardoned them, and Jacob’s sons became a nation that had the privilege of bearing the name of Jehovah.

    (Gen. 50:15-21) By maintaining peace with our brothers and sisters, we contribute to the unity and joy of the

    congregation.—Read Colossians 3:12-14.

    COMMENTSSo if Esau had not responded, could Jacob wait another 20 years?

    OT example--Joseph/his brothers--How long did Joseph wait? He had been 17 when he was sold into slavery by his

    brothers. It was another 20 year wait????

    Let Us Love “in Deed and Truth”

    Q20,21. What lesson can we learn from Jesus' washing the feet of his apostles?

    20 Shortly before his death, Jesus told his apostles: “I set the pattern for you, that, just as I did to you, you should do

    also.” (John 13:15) He had just finished washing the feet of the 12. What Jesus did was neither a mere ritual nor just an

    act of kindness. Before relating the account of the washing of feet, John wrote: “Jesus, having loved his own that were

    in the world, loved them to the end.” (John 13:1) It was his love for the disciples that moved Jesus to render a service

    usually performed by a slave. Now they must humbly do loving things for one another. Yes, genuine brotherly love

    should move us to display care and concern for all our Christian brothers and sisters.

    COMMENTSThe WTS sneers at the foot washing ceremonies in other religions. But can you imagine the elders in your

    congregation washing your feet, the feet of a sister or child, a person just attending meetings, someone who had just

    been reinstated? Do the elders see themselves as slaves to the congregation members? They are no longer even

    called "servants" since the early 1970's. Instead now they are "OVERseers," glorious ones, chieftans, sheiks.

    21 The apostle Peter, who had his feet washed by the Son of God, grasped the meaning of what Jesus did. He wrote:

    “Now that you have purified your souls by your obedience to the truth with unhypocritical brotherly affection as the result,

    love one another intensely from the heart.” (1 Pet. 1:22) The apostle John, whose feet were also washed by the Lord,

    wrote: “Little children, let us love, neither in word nor with the tongue, but in deed and truth.” (1 John 3:18) May our

    hearts move us to confirm our brotherly love by action.

    COMMENTSUnhypocritical love

    Is brotherly love the same as agape?

    Do You Remember?• In what ways can we “widen out” in our love for one another?
    • What will help us to make time for others?
    • What role does humility play in making peace?
    • What should move us to care for fellow believers?


    Does the WTS practice what they preach? No. Sorry for any who had to sit through this. Next week, Displaying Good

    Manners as Ministers of God.

    Love, Blondie

  • aligot ripounsous
    aligot ripounsous

    Thanks Blondie,

    The writers of such worn out articles can just as well pick up and paste together bits of previous similar articles and change a little the arrangement of paragraphs. There is strictly nothing new in those "study"articles, which betrays a cruel shortage of imagination, initiative and scholarship in the current writing dpt and reveals the definitive downhilll trend of the WTS.

  • boyzone

    Thanks for your hard work with that Blondie. It breaks my heart to hear again that they're only ever told to care about their own and don't give a flying fig for anyone else

  • bobld


    Must be trble in lalaland because of all the counsel for the duds.The only time they show love is when they want to pioneer or spent more time in the d-d.If they invite you to a meal (1st time in 10 years) than all the reasons why you should pioneer.What is with that,where was the love.

    We have invited people who are salt of the earth and not because they were because of who they were.We have invited others who were suppose to be J.W. but refused,I guess they were better J.W. then anyone else.

    Look around the K.H. and you get the feeling that some are good down to earth people and others are well (.....?????).


  • ziddina

    Blondie, you are an absolute jewel for doing so much work, every Watchtower study!!

    Your comment, "So is the WTS suggesting that we take 20 years like Jacob did to make peace with our family?

    There is no mention as to whether they every saw each other again...."

    Reminds me of the sad state of ex-JWs separated from their [still-believing] familes due to the disfellowshipping/shunning policies... The WTBTS is ordering JWs to NEVER make peace with family members unless they 'humble' [degrade] themselves under the Guv.Bod's leadership again...


  • quietlyleaving

    Q8,9. How can Paul's counsel recorded at Romas 15:7 help us to greet one another in a way that enhances our

    brotherly love?

    8 In the matter of greeting one another, Paul’s words to the Romans can help us develop the proper view of our fellow

    worshippers. (Read Romans 15:7.) The Greek word there rendered “welcome” means “to receive kindly or hospitably,

    admit to one’s society and friendship.” When a hospitable host in Bible times received friends into his home, he let

    them know how happy he was to see them. Christ has figuratively welcomed us in that way, and we are exhorted to

    imitate him in welcoming fellow worshippers.

    Romans 15:7 can be a very encouraging scripture for "anointed ones"/ those who would like a closer relationship with Christ than the FDS permits. The greek word προσλαμβανεσθε means to take to oneself. So the verse could read Take to yourselves one another as also the Christ took us to himself into God's glory. Doesn't that verse sound more powerful and awesome than the way it is rendered in the NWT?

  • WTWizard

    "Widen out". This article has to be about as laughable to me as the upcoming one about "a generation". They mean "just meeting other men" and "seeking out other members of your own congregation at a$$emblies"--to me, that is to "widen out" what "the group of people whose lives intersect those who were alive in 1914" did to "a generation".

  • Terry

    Going door to door with WHAT?

    Content has a little something to do with what is being witnessed to!

    This religion exalts the messenger to the same level with the messege giver!

    JEHOVAH and WITNESS are equals in this equation.

    This can only be because the messege about JEHOVAH is the imagination of the messengers in an ever-changing array of opinions passed off as fact.

    Ask the average person you meet what they KNOW about Jehovah's Witnesses you will find out very little beyond the fact they are annoying and sell magazines. In other words:THE MESSEGE HAS FAILED.

    Could it be the content is useless?

    Brotherly love consists of the same high level of appraisal as two dogs sniffing butts.

  • jgnat

    My experience is that I am "warmly welcomed" by pioneers only. They quickly cut to the chase, trying to wangle my congregation, 'spiritual status', and phone number in that order. I am sure that I am marked as "fifteen minutes".

    "Spiritual status" says it all. Unknowing congregation members have gone to great lengths to elaborate on their status including if they are first or second generation, if they have been involved on any committees, etc. etc. etc.

    Meanwhile, I have often seen the odd and the widows routinely ignored.

  • lrkr

    Only JW's could figure out a way to use a discussion about love to enact some new regulations- cell phone use, ipod use, etc.

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