Jesus Did Not Discuss Resurrection! Why?

by cameo-d 9 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  cameo-d

  For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead. (John 20:9 KJV)

  for until then they still hadn’t understood the Scriptures that said Jesus must rise from the dead. (NLT)

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  Do you find it hard to believe that Jesus would not have discussed such a momentous detail with his disciples?

  Do you not think it would have been a source of comfort to them to inform them of such a thing?

  "they did not know about the scripture" ??? What scripture was this, that would have been overlooked?

  Isn't this whole christianity thing based on "reward of resurrection"? Why was it not spoken of in Jesus's time, and especially to his disciples?
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  snowbird

  I think the NLT gets it right - they didn't understand the Scriptures. What Scriptures? Psalm 16 which Peter quoted on the Day of Pentecost? Psalm 2? Amos 9:11?

  Jesus on several occasions told them that He would be killed and brought back to life, notably here:

  Matthew 16:21 -22 Then Jesus made it clear to his disciples that it was now necessary for him to go to Jerusalem, submit to an ordeal of suffering at the hands of the religious leaders, be killed, and then on the third day be raised up alive. Peter took him in hand, protesting, "Impossible, Master! That can never be!"

  23 But Jesus didn't swerve. "Peter, get out of my way. Satan, get lost. You have no idea how God works." MSG

  Sylvia

  PS: I don't view the resurrection as a reward, but a surety. Acts 17 and 24.
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  sinis

  Perhaps Peter was reaffirming that this 'Jesus' character was a loon and about to embark on self fulfilling suicide! Thus when 'Jesus' indicated he would die and be resurrected Peter exclaimed BULLSHIT!!! ... or that will never work... Then 'Jesus', indulging heavily on the shrooms replied that peter had no idea how 'God' works... sadly it looks like 'Jesus' didn't either...
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  cameo-d

  Then Jesus made it clear to his disciples that it was now necessary for him to go to Jerusalem, submit to an ordeal of suffering at the hands of the religious leaders, be killed, and then on the third day be raised up alive.

  Matthew 16:21 says Jesus made it CLEAR. (Obviously not)

  According to John, Jesus did not say anything. It refers to "scriptures" only.
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  snowbird

  http://bible.cc/john/2-19.htm

  John 2:13 -14 When the Passover Feast, celebrated each spring by the Jews, was about to take place, Jesus traveled up to Jerusalem. He found the Temple teeming with people selling cattle and sheep and doves. The loan sharks were also there in full strength.

  15 -17 Jesus put together a whip out of strips of leather and chased them out of the Temple, stampeding the sheep and cattle, upending the tables of the loan sharks, spilling coins left and right. He told the dove merchants, "Get your things out of here! Stop turning my Father's house into a shopping mall!" That's when his disciples remembered the Scripture, "Zeal for your house consumes me."

  18 -19 But the Jews were upset. They asked, "What credentials can you present to justify this?" Jesus answered, "Tear down this Temple and in three days I'll put it back together."

  20 -22 They were indignant: "It took forty-six years to build this Temple, and you're going to rebuild it in three days?" But Jesus was talking about his body as the Temple. Later, after he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered he had said this. They then put two and two together and believed both what was written in Scripture and what Jesus had said. MSG

  Cameo, your tunnel vision is an irritant at times.

  Sylvia
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  Deputy Dog

  Cameo-d

  Do you find it hard to believe that Jesus would not have discussed such a momentous detail with his disciples?

  Do you not think it would have been a source of comfort to them to inform them of such a thing?

  He did. For example:

  Mar 8:31

  And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32 And He was stating the matter plainly. And Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. 33 But turning around and seeing His disciples, He rebuked Peter and *said, "Get behind Me, Satan; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."

  Mar 9:31

  For He was teaching His disciples and telling them, "The Son of Man is to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him; and when He has been killed, He will rise three days later." 32 But they did not understand this statement, and they were afraid to ask Him.

  They either could not understand or refused to believe it would happen.
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  Deputy Dog

  Cameo-d

  According to John, Jesus did not say anything. It refers to "scriptures" only.

  That's just not true. It says they just didn't understand.
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  sinis

  They probably did not understand "jesus's" accent being of latino decent and all... I believe he was a carpenter... liked wine... and was religious... plus he had the authentic latino name - "jesus"...
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  snowbird

  "Lord, what fools these mortals be."

  Puck, from a Midsummer Night's Dream, Act 3, Scene 2.

  Sylvia
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  Chalam

  Isn't this whole christianity thing based on "reward of resurrection"?

  I agree with Sylvia's sentiments. In fact, there are two WT heresies lurking in that phrase.

  1. Resurrection is a "reward".

  Ephesians 2:8-9 (English Standard Version)

  8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

  Romans 6:23 (English Standard Version)

  23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  2. Resurrection is only for the righteous.

  Acts 24:15 (English Standard Version)

  15 having a hope in God, which these men themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust.

  Daniel 12:2 (English Standard Version)

  2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

  Blessings,

  Stephen