Adventism and the year day principle

by barry 3 Replies latest jw friends

  • barry
    barry

    After reading the excellent post by Farkel I thought I may be able to contribute.

    This principle [year day] is held as a biblical principle by Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses and the Worldwide Church of God. It is also rejected by most Adventists scholars also administraters and members.

    The nineth chapter of Daniel is used by some to try to prove the existance of the [year day] as it is clamed that it foretells the comming of the Messiah. So is the year day necessary here? Most textbooks of bible hermeneutics do not even mention the possibility of a year day principle.

    Ok Daniels Seventy Weeks - Why Days Equal ''Years'' in this unique case before looking into whether Scripure teaches or supports the use of a Year-Day Principle, in this case nearly all Bible scholars agree that days do represent years. The days are presumed days of course as the prophecy doesnt actually use the word days it uses weeks and can also be translated 'sevens'.

    So why are the seventy weeks correctly interpreted as seventy weeks of years or 70 times 7 years?

    Daniel's audience would be familier with the three following idears.

    The first is the seventy -year captivity was a punishment [Jeremiah 25:4-11]
    The second is the concept of an original punishment being multiplied by seven[Leviticus 26:14-39]
    THe third concept is that of weeks of years [Leviticus]

    The fourth idear is that Daniel employed figurative language where it says in Daniel two that the third kindom will rule over the world. This is not true of any historical empire. In fact many scholars feel that the number seven is used symbolically in Daniel 3,4 and 9.

    Although the first three idears lead commentators to agree that seventy weeks of years is meant idear number four tells us we should not necessarily look for exactness any more than the furnace in Daniel 3 was heated exactly seven times hotter.

    So in this case of seventy weeks days do represent years [presumed days admittedly] and they do not because of a year-day principle but because of the above reasons.

    Application of the Year -Day Principle in the Interpretation of Scripture
    The principle is applied very unevenly. According to Adventists Daniel 8[2300 days], Daniel 7,12 and Revelation 12 [time and times and half a time] Revelation 11 and 13 [forty two months] Revelation 11 and 12 [1260 days] Daniel 12 [1290 days] and Daniel12[1335 days] In the JW understanding it is appied in Daniel 4 and 9. However there are many places where predictive prophecy is given , and number of days given and it is not applied.

    In some cases, when the rule is not applied the predictive prophecies are not in apocalyptic sections. these include;
    Jesus predicted he would be arrested in two days; Math12 - Jesus predicted he would be buried for three days Math 27-Jesus predicts his resurrection after 3 days.
    Jonah prediction of the overturning of Nineveh in forty days
    In three cases where predictive prophecies occur in apocalyptic the year day Adventists are themselves divided.

    Rev.2-Smyma is to suffer tribulation 10 days , some apply 10 years here
    Rev 11 The two witnesses are applied to the time religion was outlawed during the french revolution others apply it to 1260 years and the JWs apply it to the secretary and treasure of the WT society being jailed from 1914-18 from memory.
    Finally it is not applied to the thousand years of Revelation 20 if it was it would be 360,000 years.

    Two pragmatic Rules

    [1] When a predictive prophecy includes a stated number of days, and application of the year day principle would appear plausible to a significant percentage of people , the principle is applied.
    [2] When a predictive prophecy includes a stated number of days , but application of the principle would be viewed as silly, the principle is not applied. eg the buriel arrest and resurrection.

    Those who beleive in the principle often fail to apply it consistently and uniformly. They sometimes apply it to times not stated in days and do not apply it in cases where days is stated in a predictive prophecy.

    Barry

  • NeonMadman
    NeonMadman
    This principle [year day] ... is also rejected by most Adventists scholars also administraters and members.

    Does this mean that the SDA interpretation of the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 has been changed? That, of course, was the key prophecy that led to 1844 as the projected date for Christ's return, and was based upon the year-day principle. After Christ failed to return, 1844 was reinterpreted as the date for the heavenly sanctuary to be cleansed and the investigative judgment to begin. That was still being taught at least as late as the 1960's that I am personally aware of. Has there been a doctrinal shift since then?

    Tom
    "The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

  • barry
    barry

    Neonmadman,
    The beleif in the Investigative is still the official position and held by those who would be considered traditional Adventists. The Evangelicals in the Church reject the investigative Judgementand has in the last 20 years been a hot topic at bible studies, a sure way to get into an arguement.

    The latest information I have is of Kai J Arasola the current president of East Finland's SDA comference wrote a doctoral dissertation from Uppsala University called '' The End of Historicism''. Arasola writes that the scolars of Adventism in Europe, America and around the world have long known. There is no biblical basis for 1844. Another Quote from a Scholar ''Very, very little is heard of 1844 from the pulpits...No theologians in our ranks comment on it only the unschooled.
    Barry

  • Siddhashunyata
    Siddhashunyata

    In the doctrine of the "Investigative" do we have the root for stigmatizing those who "disassociate" themselves when the prophecy fails and has it, the "Investigative", combined with money and success , emboldened the "Faithful" to disfellowship. In other words is this the doctrinal source of the "Evil"?

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