Understanding who, what, or how...when a elder, oc, or ms is appointed

by Butterflyleia85 2 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Butterflyleia85
    Butterflyleia85

    I thought this page was interesting when they decussed developing church leaders...

    http://www.foundationsforfreedom.net/References/NT/Pauline/Titus/Titus1/Titus1_5_Leadership.html

    Can someone share scriptures or insite along the idea that

    Even though an organization was always necessary God only used the organization, it was not an itegral part of His plan.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/185873/2/Why-should-God-need-a-human-organisation-on-earth

    Was the appointment of elders, oc, or ms ment for today? If so how? And does the Christian leader have to take up certain doctrines to be a true preacher of the Bible? and not an false prophet?

    Also look at this...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination

  • Butterflyleia85
    Butterflyleia85

    To a Jehovah's Witness point of view:

    1 Corinthians 1:10; I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.

    Heb 10:24, 25; And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. 25Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

    2 Cor 6:15-18; What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
    17"Therefore come out from them
    and be separate, says the Lord.
    Touch no unclean thing,
    and I will receive you."
    18"I will be a Father to you,
    and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."

    1 Peter 2:17; Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

    Acts 15:14-18; Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself. 15The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
    16" 'After this I will return
    and rebuild David's fallen tent.
    Its ruins I will rebuild,
    and I will restore it,
    17that the remnant of men may seek the Lord,
    and all the Gentiles who bear my name,
    says the Lord, who does these things'
    18that have been known for ages.

    Acts 15:22-31; Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers. 23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell. 30The men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message.

    Acts 16:4; As they traveled from town to town, they delivered the decisions reached by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem for the people to obey.

    Eph 4:11-16; It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. 14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

    Titus 1:5; The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you.

    1Ti 3:1-10; Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. 2Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. 5(If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) 6He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap. 8Deacons, likewise, are to be men worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. 9They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. 10They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons.

    1Pe 5:2, 3; Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as overseers—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; 3not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.

    Joshua 23:1, 2; And it came to pass a long time after that Jehovah had given rest to Israel from all their enemies round about, and Joshua had become old, advanced in age, 2that Joshua called for all Israel, for their elders, and for their heads, and for their judges, and for their officers

    Acts 14:23; Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.

    Acts 20:28; Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

    1 Cor 11:3; Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
    Psalms 133:1; How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity!

    Those Scriptures sure do sound like God's people are organized! The Bible clearly speaks of unity and organization. To rebel against God's clear message in the Bible is foolishness.

    Proverbs 18:1; He who separates himself seeks his own desire,
    He quarrels against all sound wisdom.

    My thoughts are already answered regarding organization. In this post topic: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/185873/1/Why-should-God-need-a-human-organisation-on-earth

    But as far as what people think of the scriptures above... it was relevant then to have appointed elders thus JW's have appointed elders today. Why isn't all christian religions doing it? And why haven't JW's looked into this more on qualifications dealing with the congregation people?

    And who qualifies an elder?

    What age? and how do they judge accordingly?

  • straightshooter
    straightshooter

    In principle the qualifications as listed in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9 govern who should qualify as an elder or ms. But in actual practice, elders in the local cong decide who should be elders and ms based on personal likes and dislikes. After all, most every mature male member in the cong should be meeting those qualifications. Yet they may not be a servant in the cong because they are not in the proper circle of elder friends.

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