Who REALLY is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by AGuest 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • AGuest

    To the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace (and may you forgive my formatting "errors")!

    Last night I had the privilege of posting about a scripture that corroborated a vision I was given by our Lord. During that post, I was also directed to reiterate the identity of the TRUE Faithful and Discreet Slave, Our Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH:

    By using [Psalm 23:1] to try and explain who we are to listen to... [the WTBTS is TOTALLY overlooking the One whom that Shepherd, the Greater

    Pharoah... has put in place over us... the FINE Shepherd (John 10:11, 14, 15)... CHRIST... who is His designated "Joseph." That One... and ONLY

    that One... has been given "all authority"... including authority to dispense "grain" from [Pharaoh's] storehouse... FOOD... AT THE PROPER TIME...

    and thus is the ONLY "Faithful and Discreet Slave." (Genesis 41:39-46, 55-57; Matthew 24:45; Revelation 3:14).

    I left the forum sometime during the wee hours after posting that truth... but I was unable to sleep. Our Lord and I spoke most of the rest of the night (I have only had about 2 hours' sleep thus far) about a great many things. One of those "things" was the TRUE identification of the Faithful and Discreet Slave, which I have been directed to expound to you "more fully," which I will do here.

    I am sure you all recall the "stories" about the young man Joseph, son of Jacob (Israel), how he had "a coat of many colors," how he was sold into slavery in Egypt by his brothers. You've heard the stories of how he worked as a servant in the house of Potiphar and was later sent to prison after being falsely accused by Potiphar's wife of trying to seduce her. You know about Pharaoh having dreams that no one could interpret but Joseph, who did so with JAH's spirit, and that the dreams meant 7 years of plenty followed by 7 years of famine. You know the story of how Pharaoh was so pleased with Joseph that he put Joseph in charge of gathering and storing grain during the fat years... and later dispensing it during the lean years. These are GREAT stories, dear ones. BUT... they have a PURPOSE... and that is to IDENTIFY who the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" TRULY is.

    They also identify a group/class of people who are NOT that Slave... and in light of a corresponding false identification by the WTBTS, I am to make that known to you, as well.

    Therefore, by the power of the spirit that is in me, holy spirit, which spirit I received from the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, who is the Son and Christ of the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... I will now set forth the part of the account that makes this identification. May those of you with ears to hear... hear... and get the SENSE of it:

    After explaining the meaning of the dreams, Joseph said to Pharaoh:

    "So now let Pharaoh look for a man... DISCREET and wise... and SET HIM OVER THE LAND OF EGYPT." - Genesis 41:33

    This, dear ones, is the beginning of the identification of the faithful... and DISCREET... servant (slave)... "whom the master appoints over ALL his belongings." The account goes on:

    "Let Pharaoh act and appoint OVERSEERS over the land, and he [Pharaoh] must take up one fifth of the land of Egypt during the seven years of plenty. And let them [the overseers] COLLECT all the foodstuffs of those coming good years, and let them PILE UP GRAIN under Pharaoh's hand as foodstuffs in the cities... and they must safeguard it. And the foodstuffs must serve as a supply for the land for the seven famine years, which will develop in the land of Egypt, in order that the land may not be cut off by the famine."- Genesis 41:34-36

    Did you notice, dear ones, what the "overseers" here were to do? Were they to DISPENSE Pharaoh's grain... or collect it? We will discuss that in a moment, but move on, for now:

    "Well, the thing proved to be good I the eyes of Pharaoh and all of his servants. So Pharaoh said to his servants: 'Can ANOTHER man be found to be like this one... IN WHOM THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS?' After that Pharaoh said to Joseph, 'Since God has caused YOU to know all this, THERE IS NO ONE AS DISCREET AND WISE... AS YOU ARE. YOU... will PERSONALLY BE OVER MY HOUSE, and ALL of my people will obey YOU implicitly.*"- Genesis 41:34-36

    Well, that's what the NWT says in its text: "and all of my people will obey you implicitly." BUT... that is not the literal translation. The LITERAL translation is:

    "and upon YOUR mouth... ALL of my people WILL KISS." See ftn., Genesis 41:40a, NWT Ref. Bible.

    Is Joseph the only servant of God whose mouth people were to kiss? No. I give you Psalm 2:12, which is one of the MOST important "scriptures" ever written:

    "Kiss... THE SON...!"

    Dear ones, our Lord is the "Greater" Joseph, the One whom the "Greater" Pharaoh, the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, appointed "over ALL His belongings!" Thus, HE is the One God considers to be HIS "faithful... and DISCREET... slave." HE is the one we must KISS! But it does not stop there. Pharaoh goes on to say:

    "Only as to the throne shall I be greater than you." - Genesis 41:40b

    Is there a correlation to the Christ, our Lord? There certainly is:

    "For God 'subjected ALL things under HIS feet.' BUT... when he says that "ALL things have been subjected," it is evident that IT IS WITH THE EXCEPTION of the ONE... WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM." - 1 Corinthians 15:27

    "You also proceeded to make him a little less than godlike ones, And with glory and splendor you then crowned him. You make him dominate over the works of your hands; EVERYTHING you have put under HIS feet." - Psalm 8:5, 6; Hebrews 2:6-9

    "... and what surpassing greatness of His power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of His strength, with which He has operated IN THE CASE OF THE CHRIST... when He raised him up from the dead and seated him at His right hand in the heavenly places... far above EVERY government and authority and power and lordship and EVERY name named, not only in THIS system of things, but also in that to come. He ALSO... subjected ALL things under his feet... and made HIM head over ALL things to the congregation... WHICH IS HIS BODY,.. the fullness of Him who fills up all things... in ALL." - Ephesians 1:19b-23


    "And Pharaoh added to Joseph: 'See, I do place YOU... over ALL the land of Egypt." - Genesis 41:41

    Dear ones, CHRIST... is the "Greater" Joseph to whom the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, the "Greater" Pharaoh... subjected ALL things! HE is the One whom JAH has appointed over all the land... "ALL His belongings"... and HE is the One whose mouth we must KISS:

    "With that, Pharaoh removed his signet ring from his own hand and put it upon Joseph's hand... AND CLOTHED HIM WITH GARMENTS OF FINE LINEN... and placed a necklace of GOLD around his neck." - Genesis 41:42.

    The correlation?

    "I also proceeded to see, and here was a certain man CLOTHED IN LINEN... his hips girded with GOLD of Uphaz. So how was the servant of THIS... my LORD... able to SPEAK with this... my LORD?" - Daniel 10:5, 17

    "Now as the JOSHUA (JAHESHUA) the High Priest, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel. Then He (JAH) answered and said to those standing before Him, 'Remove the befouled garments from upon him.' And He went on the say to him, 'See, I have caused your error to pass away from upon you, and THERE IS A CLOTHING OF YOU... WITH ROBES OF STATE.' At that, I [Zechariah] said: 'Let them put a CLEAN turban upon his head.' And they proceeded to put the CLEAN turban upon his head... and to CLOTHE him with garments; and the angel of JAH was standing by. And the angel of JAH (Michael) began to bear witness to JAHESHUA saying: 'This is what JAH of Armies has said, "If it is in MY ways that you will walk, and if it is MY obligation that you will keep, then also... it will be YOU that will judge my house and also keep my courtyards..." - Zechariah 3:3-7


    "But the inner garment was without a seam, being woven from the topthroughout its length. Therefore, they said to one another: 'Let us not tear it, but let us determine by lots over it whose it will be.'" - John 19:24


    "... and in the midst of the lampstands someone like a Son of man, CLOTHED WITH A GARMENT THAT reached down to the feet... and girded at the breast with a GOLDEN girdle." - Revelation 1:13

    Back to Genesis...

    "Moreover... he had him ride... IN THE SECOND CHARIOT OF HONOR that he had, so that they should call out ahead of him 'Avrekh!' (meaning "Father" or "Ruler") thus putting himover ALL the land of Egypt." - Genesis 41:43


    "The utterance of JAH to my Lord is, 'SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND..." - Psalm 110:1

    "For there has been a child born to us, there has been a SON given to us; and the princely RULE will come to be upon HIS shoulder. And his name will be called Wonder [of a] Counselor, Mighty Divine One, Eternal FATHER, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6

    Back to Genesis...

    "And Pharaoh further said to Joseph: 'I am Pharaoh, but without YOUR authorization, NO man may lift up his hand OR his foot in ALL the land of Egypt.' After that, Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaph'enathpane'ah (which means, "Revealer of Hidden Things" and/or "Savior of the World")." - Genesis 41:44, 45


    "ALL authority... has been given... ME... in heaven... AND ON EARTH." - Matthew 28:18

    "I have many things ye to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present."- John 16:12

    "... because there was born to you today a Savior, who is CHRIST Lord..." - Luke 2:11

    "In addition, we ourselves have beheld and are bearing witness that the Father has sent forth His Son... as SAVIOR OF THE WORLD." - 1 John 4:14

    Back to Genesis... but moving on a few verses:

    "Finally, all the land of Egypt became famished and the people began to cry out the Pharaoh FOR BREAD. The Pharaoh said to all the Egyptians, "GO TO JOSEPH. Whatever HE says to you, you are to do. And the famine obtained over all the surface of the earth." - Genesis 41:55-56a

    The correlation?

    "I... am the BREAD of LIFE.. He that comes to ME... WILL NOT GET HUNGRY... AT ALL." - John 6:35

    "If you loved ME... YOU WILL OBSERVE MY COMMANDMENTS." - John 14:15


    "Then... JOSEPH... began to open up all the grain depositories that were among them and to sell to the Egyptians, as the famine got a strong grip on the land of Egypt." - Genesis 41:56b

    Did you notice here, dear ones... WHO OPENS AND SELLS the grain? The "overseers"? NO! Those one only COLLECTED the grain. It was JOSEPH... who gave out the grain... bread... FOOD... at the PROPER TIME! HE fed Egypt... NOT the "overseers."!! Not only that:

    "Moreover, people of ALL THE EARTH came to Egypt... TO BUY FROM JOSEPH..." - Genesis 41:57


    "God... loved the WORLD so much... that He gave His only-begotten Son..." - John 3:16

    "This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that ANYONE may of it and not die. I am the LIVING BREAD that came down from heaven; if ANYONE eats of this bread, he WILL live forever..." - John 6:50, 51

    "And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only BUT ALSO FOR THE WORLD'S." - 1 John 2:2

    And, finally...

    "Then he said: 'I am Joseph your brother... But now, do not feel hurt and do not be angry with yourselves... because FOR THE PRESERVATION OF LIFE... God has sent me ahead of you. Consequently, GOD SENT ME ahead of you... IN ORDER TO PLACE A REMNANT for you men in the earth and to KEEP YOU ALIVE..." - Genesis 45:5, 7


    "For God SENT FORTH HIS SON... into the WORLD... not for him to judge the world... but for the world TO BE SAVED through him." - John 3:17

    "Moreover, Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: 'Although the number OF THE SONS OF ISRAELmay be as the sand of the sea, it is the REMNANTthat will be saved." - Romans 9:27

    "... a hundred and forty-four thousand... sealed out of every tribe OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL..." - Revelation 7:4

    But just like Pharaoh's hand and Joseph's love did not stop with Egypt, dear ones, the hand of the GREATER Pharaoh, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, and the love of HIS Faithful and Discreet Slave... the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... does not stop with Israel:

    "After these things I saw... and look! A GREAT CROWD... out of ALL nations, and tribes, and peoples and tongues... STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE... THEY... WILL HUNGER... NO MORE." - Revelation 7:9, 16

    Dear ones, it is the misuse of the word "that"... which has led the WTBTS to supposed that the Faithful and Discreet Slave.. and the EVIL Slave (i.e, "if ever 'that' evil slave") could perhaps be one and the same, but under different scenarios. Nothing could be further from the truth. They are, in fact, two entirely DIFFERENT slaves. And it is the WTBTS' error that is causing them to exalt themselves and claim a title and designation that is NOT theirs... and you to stumble. If the blind leads the blind... will they not ALL fall into a pit? They will!

    Therefore, may those of you who wish it... have ears to hear... and may you get the sense of it and KNOW understanding as to this matter. May you HEAR the Voice of the FINE Shepherd, the One whom the Most Holy One of Israel appointed... over ALL of HIS belongings... HIS Faithful and Discreet Servant... my leader, my master, my teacher, my savior, my Lord... my KING... and yours... the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. To the glory of God... and the preservation of your eternal spirit.

    May his love and peace be with you... and your entire households... to time indefinite... if you so wish it.

    Your servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, those who go with them... AND to the world... and a slave of Christ,


  • StoneWall


    very thought provoking and informative thread.

    A little on the eerie side tho especially if you didn't read my thread titled almost word for word the same as this

    about a day earlier.

    I agree with many of your correlations of scriptures dealing with Jesus being the Faithful and discreet slave.

    For about the last 3 months I've been researching much regarding Jesus and his being referred to as God's servant.

    Something clicked in me that maybe Jesus was referring to himself in this instance since the majority of the rest of the

    twenty-fourth chapter of Matthew was all about Jesus.

    And as you have pointed out there is more than a few parallels in the story of Joseph and Jesus being the Greater Joseph.

    If you get a chance to look over my thread feel free to comment.

  • AGuest

    May you have peace!

    I had not seen your post until you mentioned it - I did read it, and the responses, thank you!

    The responses you received seem to indicate that many still don't understand this very important truth... that Christ IS the Faithful and Discreet Slave... which is sad, but not surprising: the WTBTS is VERY good at their purpose: "misleading, IF possible, EVEN the chosen ones." (Matthew 24:24) They have usurped and/or diverted virtually EVERY important title and designation that belongs to our Lord, including but not limited to, the Truth (John 14:6), Light (John 1:4-8; 8:12), the Faithful and Discreet Slave (see corroborating scriptures/verses above), God's Visible Representation (which no longer exists, as the last ones were the temple at Jerusalem and our Lord himself once God's spirit left the temple and entered into him)... and God's Word (John 1:14; Revelation 19:13). By doing this, they have craftily... and WICKEDLY... misled God's sheep to listen to and follow THEM... rather than the Son and Fine Shepherd that the Most Holy One of Israel APPOINTED Himself. (John 10:5, 27; Matthew 17:5; Matthew 24:45).

    They FALSELY say "the Law of JAH is with us," BUT... the "stylus" of their "secretaries" (i.e., those who write and push their misguided and, therefore, misleading propoganda in the pages of such publications as the Watchtower, Awake!, Reasoning From the Scriptures, Truth Book, Revelation It's Grand Climax at Hand, The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived, Babylon the Finished Mystery, and more)... those SCRIBES... works in SHEER FALSEHOOD (Jeremiah 8:8). As a result, they continually and consistent spew misguided and, therefore, misleading rhetoric from the stage/podium where they prophesy in FALSEHOOD... and go subduing their members "according to their powers"... and NOT God's power. (Jeremiah 5:31a)

    That is why our Lord said of these: "WOE to you... SCRIBES... and PHARISEES! Hypocrites!"

    And while this is sad, unfortunately it is not the saddest part. The SADDEST part is that, like the Jews of our Lord's day in the flesh... it is the people who LOVE IT THAT WAY! (Jeremiah 5:31b) They WANT to be misled! They WANT a "king" other than the one GOD appointed for them! They WANT to be abused, misused, misled, and misguided. They LOVE... the "lie."! And so, just like the Jews of those days, they listen to, obey, and follow the very "leaders" who are persecuting them, burdening them, tying heavy yokes upon them, pushing them to work harder and harder, hypocritically judging them, and... SHUTTING UP THE KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS BEFORE THEM! (Matthew 23:13)

    Indeed, a recent post that included a WTBTS publication excerpt indicated that even if an angel came and made an announcement to them they very well might reject such one. Something to be surprised about? No, for their forefathers did the very same thing when the Son of man himself came and presented himself to them... because the FALSE "leaders" of that day refused to acknowledge him. They refused the... and still do now... to KISS THE SON! (Psalm 2:12)

    And, sadly, I have NO doubt that these, too, those who are strongly... and blindly... entrenched in "her"... that HARLOT... will do the very same thing when our Lord returns: they will REJECT him... even when they actually SEE him... because (1) they are rejecting him now, and (2) their "leaders" will tell them to! These who, because they walk by sight... and not by faith... possess a blindness is SO acute, they won't be able to discern him... even then. Even when their own eyes SEE him. Why? Because "what had NOT been recounted to them" by those leaders, because those leaders don't know THEMSELVES... "they will actually see." And so, they, ALL of them... WILL be "startled," and so WILL stumble! Because they're expecting something entirely different that what the reality is! (Isaiah 52:15; 53:2)

    And what are we to do? Pray for them. Pray hard... and pray incessantly. Why? Because (1) God does not want ANY to die and so neither should we, and (2) it's what our our Lord would want us to do (Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27, 28). It's what HE would do. It's what he did. (Luke 23:34; Acts 7:60)

    May the undeserved kindness and mercy of my God and Father, the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, and the love and peace of His Son and Christ, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, be upon you, dear Stonewall... you and your entire household, to time indefinite, if you so wish!

    Your servant and fellow slave of Christ,


  • Narkissos

    On the Joseph / "faithful and discreet slave" parallel, cf. this old thread by Leolaia: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/67457/1/Who-is-the-Faithful-and-Wise-Servant-Its-JOSEPH-of-course

    (For the rest I stick to my comments on the other thread... :))

  • AGuest

    May you have peace!

    You state:

    "Jesus as the greater Joseph fills the grain bens, men are put in charge of distributing it."

    Unfortunately, you have it backward, dear one:

    "Let Pharaoh act and appoint OVERSEERS over the land, and he [Pharaoh] must take up one fifth of the land of Egypt during the seven years of plenty. And let them [the overseers] COLLECT all the foodstuffs of those coming good years, and let them PILE UP GRAIN under Pharaoh's hand as foodstuffs in the cities... and they must safeguard it. And the foodstuffs must serve as a supply for the land for the seven famine years, which will develop in the land of Egypt, in order that the land may not be cut off by the famine."- Genesis 41:34-36

    Did you notice what the "overseers" here were to do? Dispense grain... or collect it? Well, let's see:

    "Finally, all the land of Egypt became famished and the people began to cry out the Pharaoh for bread. The Pharaoh said to all the Egyptians, "GO TO JOSEPH. Whatever HE says to you, you are to do. And the famine obtained over all the surface of the earth. Then... JOSEPH... began to open up all the grain depositories that were among them and to sell to the Egyptians, as the famine got a strong grip on the land of Egypt. "Moreover, people of all the earth came to Egypt... TO BUY FROM JOSEPH..." - Genesis 41:55-57

    Dear one, the "overseers" were responsible for seeing that the grain was gathered into the storehouse... but they didn't dispense it once it was. And so here is where the talents come in. Let me ask you: what was the purpose of the talents? Did those who receive them just go and give them out? ("My master has given me 5 talents and now I am giving them to you... or, I am giving you one, and you one, and you three, etc.")

    No, dear one. The talents were currency and those who received them were to take them and INCREASE the master's holdings. How does one do that with talents? One goes out and BUYS assets! Increases the Master's belongings. Increases Pharaoh's grain. Perhaps even brings in more workers. You know, "go, therefore, and make disciples." BUT... they are not OVER the belongings... nor do THEY feed the servants!

    The "belongings" belong... to the MASTER... who is "over" ALL of them... AND to the ONE that HE appoints over them. Only HE is not in subjection to that ONE... but all others are. And he does not appoint a GROUP of people. He appoints ONE slave... and only one... and that one is second ONLY to himself.

    There is no way Joseph could have gathered all the grain.. but hemost certainly have dispensed it (i.e., designated who received it) on his own.

    I fear for you, dear pjschipper... that Satan has blinded YOUR mind... so that the ILLUMINATION of the good news... ABOUT THE GLORY OF THE CHRIST (and, yes, I said that right - check your footnote) might not shine through. For, unlike the WTBTS, which preaches its SELF... I am preaching NOT myself... but Christ... JAHESHUA... as Lord... and myself as YOUR slave... for HIS sake.

    May you one day hear... and get the sense of it.

    I remain YOUR servant, and a slave of Christ,


  • Farkel

    :Who REALLY is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

    I am!

    But I'm nobody's slave. That's for sure.

    Sometimes I'm not very faithful.

    I'm often indiscrete...



  • AGuest

    The greatest of love and peace to you!

    I do recall seeing dear Leolaia's thread some years ago and may have responded (there or in a separate thread). She was asked:

    nice - so u think the f & d slave in the greek scrips refers to jesus (who is prefigured by Joseph)?

    and responded:

    No...I think the f & d slave refers to those disciples who heed the teaching of Jesus. The gospel Jesus invites the listeners to identify him with the "lord" (kurios) who will be coming, the one who has the power to bless or punish the disciples who accepted the word.

    Based on this, I think that at that time her thinking was in line with dear pjs' (I am not sure what her thoughts on this subject are now - things do change for some folks), which is an error. But I understand how some can think that my Lord was refering to someone other than himself... in the same way they think he was when referring to the Holy Spirit. He was not, however - he was doing what he very often did: identifying himself as someone appointed by, chosen by, sent by, representative of, and Son of... God... without directly placing attention on himself.

    And why would/did he do that? He himself explained:

    "JAHESHUA went asking his disciples: 'Who are men saying the Son of man is?' They said" 'Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the Prophets.' He said to them: 'You, though, who do YOU say I am?' In answer, Simon Peter said: 'You are the Christ, the son of the living God.' In response JAEHSUA said to HIM: 'Happy YOU are, Simon Bar-Jonah, because FLESH AND BLOOD DID NOT REVEAL IT TO YOU, BUT MY FATHER WHO IS IN THE HEAVENS DID.'" Matthew 16:13-17

    He said this because Peter put FAITH in what was revealed to HIM about who the Son of man was.... by the Most Holy One of Israel. And I have done the same thing. I do not know the truth about the identity of the Faithful and Discreet Slave because some man told it to me. Or even because I read about it. Indeed, the account was confusing to me for some time, too, because of how it is stated. I now know who it is, though... absolutely, definitively, and without a doubt... because I HEARD it... directly FROM that Faithful and Discreet Slave himself... the One by means of whom God NOW speaks to us... the Holy One of Israel, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. I heard it from him... and so I know it is as truth.

    Now, if others want to believe and stick to what certain men... flesh and blood... including various theological "scholars" teach about the identity of this this Slave, who am I to stop them? It is entirely their own prerogative. For myself, however, I will listen to the Holy Spirit, the GLORIFIED Christ... and put faith in the "thing(s)" I hear... from him. Always.

    As always, I bid you peace, dear Narkissos (and you, too, dear Daddy-O...)

    Your servant, both, and a slave of Christ,


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