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  • sacolton

    Absolutely shocking movie about the Mountain Meadows Massacre!

    A real black-eye of the history of Mormons ...


    The Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrantwagon train at Mountain Meadows, Utah Territory, by the local Mormon militia on September 11 , 1857 . It began as an attack, quickly turned into a siege, and eventually culminated in the execution of the unarmed emigrants after their surrender. All of the party except for seventeen children under eight years old—about 120 men, women, and children—were killed. [ 1 ] After the massacre, the corpses of the victims were left decomposing for two years on the open plain, [ 2 ] their children were distributed to local Mormon families, and many of their possessions auctioned off at the Latter Day Saint Cedar City tithing office. [ 3 ]

    The Arkansas emigrants were traveling to California shortly before the Utah War started. Mormon leaders had been mustering militia throughout Utah Territory to fight the United States Army, which was sent to Utah to restore US authority in the territory. [ 4 ] The emigrants stopped to rest and regroup their approximately 800 head of cattle at Mountain Meadows, a valley within the Iron County Military District of the Nauvoo Legion (the popular designation for the Mormon militia of the Utah Territory). [ 5 ]

    Initially intending to orchestrate an Indian massacre, [ 6 ] local militia leaders including Isaac C. Haight and John D. Lee conspired to lead militiamen disguised as Native Americans along with a contingent of Paiute tribesmen in an attack. The emigrants fought back and a siege ensued. When the Mormons discovered that they had been identified as the attacking force by the emigrants, Col. William H. Dame, head of the Iron County Brigade of the Utah militia, ordered their annihilation. [ 7 ] Intending to leave no witnesses of Mormon complicity in the siege and also intending to prevent reprisals that would complicate the Utah War, militiamen induced the emigrants to surrender and give up their weapons. After escorting the emigrants out of their hasty fortification, the militiamen and their tribesmen auxiliaries executed the emigrants. Investigations, interrupted by the U.S. Civil War, resulted in nine indictments in 1874. Only John D. Lee was tried in a court of law, and after two trials, he was convicted. On March 23 , 1877 afiring squad executed Lee at the massacre site.

    Historians attribute the massacre to a combination of factors including war hysteria fueled bymillennialism and strident Mormon teachings by top LDS leaders including Brigham Young. [ 8 ] These teachings included doctrines about God's vengeance against those who had killed Mormon prophets, some of whom were from Arkansas. Scholars debate whether the massacre was caused by any direct involvement by Brigham Young, [ 9 ] who was never officially charged and denied any wrongdoing. However, the predominant academic position is that Young and other church leaders helped provide the conditions which made the massacre possible. [ 10 ]

  • truthseeker

    I've seen it as well. It's a good movie but very sad to see the trap that killed so many people.

  • cattails

    Bunch of murderers, the lot,
    freaking mormon murderers!

  • cameo-d

    Thanks for posting this interesting bit of history, Sacoulton.

    I wonder if something similar could happen again.

    Do the Mormons still have a private militia? Or do you suppose they are just a small cog in a bigger wheel with a malta militia?


    As a result of this oath [Oath of Vengence], several Mormon apostles and other leaders considered it their religious duty to kill the prophets' murderers if they ever came across them. [60]

    The sermons, blessings, and private counsel by Mormon leaders just prior to the Mountain Meadows massacre can be understood as encouraging private individuals to execute God's judgment against the wicked.

  • AuntBee

    Thanks for the movie recommend! My husband and i watched it last night. (we've been in a dry spell, and have lately been reduced to watching reruns of the old Mary Tyler Moore Show on hulu. lol) For anyone who has Netflix, it's on "Instant Play". Wow, it was really sad, but interesting. I had heard of the Mountain Meadow Massacre, but didn't really know the details.

  • RR

    Yeah I saw it a while back, thought it was excellent,a bit sad in the end.


  • Sonny Crockett
    Sonny Crockett

    I'll give it a watch!

    I just came across this guys story. The simularities to many of our experiences are like, wow!


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