Before Christ-mas it was Childer-mas: Massacre of the Children

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  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    While researching crucifixion artwork from the 12th to 16th centuries, I noticed that many paintings had a Santa Claus type figure included in the painting. Usually a red cap and red clothing. In other paintings, the majority of people in attendance at the crucifixion were dressed in red or green---the traditional christmas colors. Because this theme seemed to be repeated through the ages, it made me question what it could possibly be symbolizing.

    Could it be that the crucifixion actually took place at a different time of year than what is traditionally promoted by christianity? Could the crucifixion have happened in late fall or winter, rather than spring?

    As I began to look for answers, I came upon information of a December holiday which preceded Christmas. It was known as Childermass.

    Childermass was observed as the day when king Herod ordered all children under 2 years old to be killed. It was "celebrated" on Dec. 28.

    Historians say that it was actually his own children --which were of Maccabean blood--- that Herod killed. Could Herod have really been in fear that some peasant child might uprise and try to take his throne? Were these murders all based on circumventing a "prophecy"?

    Scholars surmise that the story could be rooted in the same pattern of Exodus where the Pharoah killed all the first born Hebrew children.

    Again, scholars pose a theological problem with Matthews account. Matthew presents the Massacre of the Innocents as fulfilment of Hosea and Jeremiah and in so doing, takes the event out of context.

    According to their summation, Hosea is referring to the Exodus and Jeremiah is referring to the Babylonian exile.

    The Slaughter of the Innocents presents an unusual twist in that the story claims 10,000 children were massacred and "died for Jesus" (prior to Jesus even being known or named!) Believers are used to the story of Jesus dying for others---not the other way around.

    My questions:

    Was Christmas actually a holiday that began as a celebration of the massacre of innocent children?

    Was Jesus actually crucified not in the spring, but on the actual Day of Atonement which was Yom Kippurim?

    Was the account of Herod's massacre just a retelling of the stories of old from the days of Pharoah/Moses?

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  • glenster
    glenster


    Was Christmas actually a holiday that began as a celebration of the massacre
    of innocent children?

    In the research I did, I found the "feast of the Holy Innocents"--is that what
    you mean? I wouldn't characterize it as having been meant as a celebration of
    the deaths of infants generally. Christmas seems to have originated as a
    concern to celebrate the birth of Jesus that was going on before the feast was
    initiated and then only related to the feast in the same way as the massacre,
    which we also don't have a date for, was related to his birth.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07419a.htm

    Although assigning a date for Christmas is generally considered as having been an
    unimportant pragmatic/Romans 14, etc., concern compared to the meaning of it,
    nobody is saying the selection of the date originated with the feast in the
    places I checked, anyway. I did find that the JWs leaders' stance seems to have
    originated with Origen, though many of his contemporaries liked the idea and
    suggested various dates for it. See the article at the next link and the
    section about it at 1988 on the timeline at the link after that.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
    http://gtw6437.tripod.com/id12.html

    Was Jesus actually crucified not in the spring, but on the actual Day of
    Atonement which was Yom Kippurim?

    Likewise, nobody is connecting the two in the places I checked, anyway.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus#Date_of_the_crucifixion

    Was the account of Herod's massacre just a retelling of the stories of old
    from the days of Pharoah/Moses?

    In defense of believing Matthew (and the implication of whoever wrote "The
    Assumption of Moses"--see below) although it otherwise wasn't reported around
    the time, it may have been a small number, like 12 or 20, since Bethlehem was a
    small town and Herod did worse things that got more attention. A similar
    indication of his brutal character is that he had his own wife and two children
    murdered.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07419a.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#New_Testament_references

    "There is a First-Century, Jewish, apocryphal, pseudepigraphic work called the
    Assumption of Moses which states that 'An insolent king will succeed [the
    Hasmonean priests]… he will slay all the young.' Inarguably, Herod was an
    "insolent king" who ousted the Hasmoneans as ruler of Judea. Therefore it seems
    likely the writer of the Assumption of Moses had knowledge of such a slaughter
    - though he falsely presented his document as if it were a prophesy that pre-
    dated the slaughter."
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Herod%27s_Massacre_of_the_Innocents_historical_Matthew_2_v6

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