The Miracle of Prayer - Samuel Herd, Governing Body Member

by Kosonen 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • Kosonen
    Kosonen

    I found his talk at http://www.jwforum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=1704

    Here is a part of his talk. Is he indicating that we should pray for GB so that Jehovah God would open their eyes?

    Here's a modern day example. Back in the 50's, some sisters found out that they were married to homosexuals and some even had children by these immoral men. When they found out, they were appalled and they wrote to headquarters. During that time, however, it was not understood that homosexuality was considered fornication. So the response to these sisters from headquarters was that if they divorce, they were not free to remarry. So these sisters were in somewhat a dilemma. They were not happy. They could not stand to even look at these men, but what could they do? Headquarters had spoken. Sad situation. However, these sisters kept praying to Jehovah and begged his help. Jehovah heard those prayers and answered them. He caused his organization to take in depth look a the word porneia, translated fornication and they found that, yes, homosexuality falls under that umbrella, that these men are just as sin-sick as if they would have been if they committed adultery and yes, our sisters could choose to divorce these men and remain free to remarry if they wanted to. It took time, it took a lot of time, but Jehovah answered these prayers.

  • Albert Einstein
    Albert Einstein

    Koso, I think it is a great idea - let us pray to God to open the eyes of our beloved brothers in the GB .... and let them ... for example ... sell the printing house to Mormons and to release all Wittnesses from slavery!

    Albert

  • TheBiz
    TheBiz

    What's "GB"?

  • sir82
    sir82

    Um, so why didn't God give them the right answer the first time? Why wait until some "poor sisters" had to suffer first?

  • minimus
    minimus

    Great Britain? How about Governing Body?

  • minimus
    minimus

    Suffering is a good thing.

  • TheBiz
    TheBiz
    Great Britain? How about Governing Body?

    Governing Body makes sense. So yes, it does seem like he's implying people should obey and when it doesn't seem like it's right they should pray that the Governing Body comes to an understanding that fits their situation better.

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    Its this sort of "logic" that pisses me off to no end. Why on earth would a "God of truth" direct that his channel of communication on earth provide incorrect information leading to wrecked lives only to finally relent when enough people begged him to? And, why were these sisters questioning the GB? Weren't they sinning? What exactly is Herd's point?

    The mental gymnastics is takes to believe that the WTS is Gods channel given their history is exhausting.

  • minimus
    minimus

    If it was worded "the GB of GB', that would mean the Governing Body of Great Britain.

  • undercover
    undercover
    ...the response to these sisters from headquarters was that if they divorce, they were not free to remarry. So these sisters were in somewhat a dilemma. They were not happy. They could not stand to even look at these men, but what could they do? Headquarters had spoken.

    Here's where we see that the attitude of "obey men" shows up much stronger in talks than they do publications.

    I always hated when they used the word "headquarters", meaning Bethel or the Governing Body. I remember one time when a Bethel elder was visiting our hall and a kiss-ass elder was leading him around showing him off to everyone. He introduced me to the Bethelite and said he was "visiting from headquarters". I couldn't help myself... I looked at both of them and and asked, "You mean he's visiting from heaven?" My question was not appreciated.

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