Heaven for the Godless?

by BurnTheShips 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    I found this interesting. This would seem to run counter to the typical caricatures encountered on the net. It would appear that most American Christians are more inclusionary and universalist than some might think.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/27/opinion/27blow.html?_r=1

    Heaven for the Godless?

    In June, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life published a controversial survey in which 70 percent of Americans said that they believed religions other than theirs could lead to eternal life.

    This threw evangelicals into a tizzy. After all, the Bible makes it clear that heaven is a velvet-roped V.I.P. area reserved for Christians. Jesus said so: “I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” But the survey suggested that Americans just weren’t buying that.

    The evangelicals complained that people must not have understood the question. The respondents couldn’t actually believe what they were saying, could they?

    So in August, Pew asked the question again. (They released the results last week.) Sixty-five percent of respondents said — again — that other religions could lead to eternal life. But this time, to clear up any confusion, Pew asked them to specify which religions. The respondents essentially said all of them.

    And they didn’t stop there. Nearly half also thought that atheists could go to heaven — dragged there kicking and screaming, no doubt — and most thought that people with no religious faith also could go.

    What on earth does this mean?

    One very plausible explanation is that Americans just want good things to come to good people, regardless of their faith. As Alan Segal, a professor of religion at Barnard College told me: “We are a multicultural society, and people expect this American life to continue the same way in heaven.” He explained that in our society, we meet so many good people of different faiths that it’s hard for us to imagine God letting them go to hell. In fact, in the most recent survey, Pew asked people what they thought determined whether a person would achieve eternal life. Nearly as many Christians said you could achieve eternal life by just being a good person as said that you had to believe in Jesus.

    Also, many Christians apparently view their didactic text as flexible. According to Pew’s August survey, only 39 percent of Christians believe that the Bible is the literal word of God, and 18 percent think that it’s just a book written by men and not the word of God at all. In fact, on the question in the Pew survey about what it would take to achieve eternal life, only 1 percent of Christians said living life in accordance with the Bible.

    Now, there remains the possibility that some of those polled may not have understood the implications of their answers. As John Green, a senior fellow at the Pew Forum, said, “The capacity of ignorance to influence survey outcomes should never be underestimated.” But I don’t think that they are ignorant about this most basic tenet of their faith. I think that they are choosing to ignore it ... for goodness sake.

    BTS

  • lalliv01
    lalliv01

    It seems that Americans are more kind and generous than the god of the bible.

    From Genesis to Apocalypse god is a cruel killer, and he doesn't kill quickly and mercifully he does it with storms, earthquakes,

    diseases, serpents, floods, men killing men, women and children, etc.etc.

    respecfully,

    lalliv01

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    According to Pew’s August survey, only 39 percent of Christians believe that the Bible is the literal word

  • PrimateDave
    PrimateDave

    See you in Heaven, Burn. ;)

    Dave

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    From The Message Bible:

    John 12:47 -48 "If anyone hears what I am saying and doesn't take it seriously, I don't reject him. I didn't come to reject the world; I came to save the world. But you need to know that whoever puts me off, refusing to take in what I'm saying, is willfully choosing rejection.

    Thankfully, most are coming to the realization that it's all in the hands of the Master.

    Sylvia

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    See you in Heaven, Burn.

    I'll be happy to get to see your surprise, if I get there first. I'll save you una fria.

    BTS

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Thankfully, most are coming to the realization that it's all in the hands of the Master.

    Yes indeed; the rules are for us, not the Master.

    http://www.zenit.org/article-14695?l=english

    BTS

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    No! No! No!!!!

    I won't go! I won't go! You can't make me!!!!!

  • lalliv01
    lalliv01
    Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope

    Wow! The Catholics have come a long way, I'm glad. Growing up most of my friends were Catholics and I always liked them.

    Unlike me, they never, never tried pushing their religious believes on me and as far as I know, they never much cared about my beliefs

    or what it was I believed in. I think everybody thought I was Catholic also when in their company since I behaved the same as them, which

    was always respectfully...........but worldly? We loved cruising and listening to the Wolfman, and KOMA (radio station) and "oldie but goodies."

    lalliv01

    PS: Wolfman emanated from Del Rio, Texas at the time.........50,000 watts of power.

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