Satan the Devil, the Jehovah's Witnesses best friend ........ really

by Homerovah the Almighty 9 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    How many times have you folks ran it to a JW and to only realize latter how disingenuous

    and plastic their personalities and character were. I occasional run into JWS through my still

    in family members, something that inevitably comes into conversation is how Satan’s

    system things is the real reason they directly do wrongful things as well as everyone else.

    A devoted brother came over to my father’s house recently when I was there, all emotionally

    upset that his wife wanted to divorce him for numerous reasons and at the end of the

    conversation he blamed Satan for his failing marriage and implied that it wasn’t him to be

    blamed or he shouldn't be held responsible for any of this. I just sat there there and stared

    bit at this moron and eventually made my way out of the room. There are many other

    circumstances that relate similarity to this, but one obvious thing I can see is they do

    not want to take responsibility for themselves. Perhaps it’s the facet they have

    endeavored or attached themselves to a personal savior, a redeemer who forgives them for

    their sins now in present and also in the future. On that psychological pretense how can

    anyone establish a true and honest character within themselves, one that’s solid and

    viable. It to me just answers the call for nothing but selfishness and self serving interests

    a tool used by disingenuous people. Jesus may prop them up for a moment or two but

    eventually they have to come to terms with what they have done and who they are. Maybe that’s the reason so

    many of do not want to get off the Jesus train, because if they were to get off it may be just to

    damaging of an impact for them to face .

    So you can see how Satan the devil could be perceived a JWS best friend.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    the demunz run him a close second

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    Thats true Stilla , they fill in for him when he's out of town, he travels a lot in any given year

  • VM44
    VM44

    Reminds me of what Flip Wilson used to say.

    "The Devil made me do it!"

  • carla
    carla

    What do jw's say about Romans 14:12 says, "So then each of us shall give account of himself to God" ? it seems to me that jw's do not want to be personally responsible for anything in their life, they never mature or become mature Christians (not that they are Christians). They do not even take personal responsibility for their own faith, it is all contingent on what the fds tells them to believe this week. I asked my jw once what he will say should he find himself before God and God asks him why he was teaching false prophecies/doctrines etc... he truly believes that because the fds says something he (my jw) would be off the hook because he was just following God's org. Which led me to ask about the Berean's and 'making sure of all things' , round and round we would go. Somedays I believe being a jw is for lazy people, yes, I know they are busy, busy, busy but they never truly have to work anything out in their own mind or make a decision and be held responsible for it. LIfe is simpler when you have someone telling you how to dress, what to think, what to underline, what to say, how to spend your freetime, and so forth. Like the little kids on the playground who say Jonny made them pull Suzie's hair, they can always blame the fds or satan. They never realise that not making a choice, not making a stand, not researching, is in fact making a choice and they are responsible for their own inaction.

  • blondie
    blondie

    The WTS presents a very confusing stance on this.

    *** w07 9/15 pp. 4-5 Why Wickedness Continues ***"The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one," says 1 John 5:19. In fact, Satan and his angels are "misleading the entire inhabited earth," causing nothing but "woe." (Revelation 12:9, 12) Thus, the major part of the blame for wickedness has to be placed squarely on Satan the Devil.

    But then,

    *** w95 2/1 pp. 28-29 Whose Fault Is It? ***The Ultimate Excuse

    "It is God’s will." "Blame it on the Devil." Probably the ultimate excuse is to blame either God or the Devil for our own failures. It is true that God or Satan may influence some events in our lives. However, some believe that practically everything, good or bad, in their life is the result of intervention by God or by Satan. It is as if nothing that happened to them was a consequence of their own actions. "If God wants me to have that new car, he will see to it that I get it."

    Such ones often live their lives recklessly, making financial and other decisions on the assumption that God will save them. If their imprudent actions result in some disaster, economic or otherwise, they blame the Devil. To do something rash without first ‘counting the cost’ and then to blame Satan for the failure, or worse yet, to expect Jehovah to intervene, would be not only presumptuous but also contrary to Scripture.—Luke 14:28, 29.

    Satan attempted to get Jesus to think that way and not take responsibility for His actions. Regarding the second temptation, Matthew 4:5-7 reports: "The Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him upon the battlement of the temple and said to him: ‘If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down; for it is written, "He will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone."’" Jesus realized that he could not expect Jehovah to intervene if he were to take a clearly foolhardy, even suicidal, course. Hence, he replied: "It is written, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’"

    ***w572/1p.84SomeBlameGod,SomeBlameDevil***

    On the other hand, some blame the Devil. Thus when a ten-year-old boy was asked why he started two fires near his home he replied: "The Devil was in me." Blaming the Devil for one’s lawlessness began with Eve in Eden, and many persons, selfish or poorly informed on the Bible, do the same today. Yes, if we are frustrated or rebelling at our lot we will show it by lawless acts and then seek to justify or excuse ourselves by blaming God or the Devil!

    *** w52 7/15 p. 430 ‘Keeping Strict Watch on How We Walk’ ***Therefore let every Christian who hopes to gain life in the new world now heed the apostle’s admonition: "So keep strict watch that how you walk is not as unwise but as wise persons, buying out the opportune time for yourselves, because the days are wicked." (Eph. 5:15, 16, NW) Yes, and let anyone "that thinks he has a firm position beware that he does not fall". Ours is a wily and vicious foe, the adversary the Devil, who "walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone". We must therefore take our "stand against him, solid in the faith", confident that if we ‘oppose the Devil then he will flee from us’. If we grow careless and let him trip us up we cannot blame the Devil. That excuse did not help Eve, neither will it help us.—1 Cor. 10:12; 1 Pet. 5:8, 9; Jas. 4:7, NW.
  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    Thanks for the comments folks , yes Carla your absolutely right , most JWS weigh their personal responsibility over to the FDS in total

    servitude as their scripted guidance and are very much a slave to that hierarchy .

    Its like Christians hold and carry with them two identities in one hand they have the redemption provided by Christ and

    in the other hand they have Satan the real culprit behind all of their supposed wrong doings.

    In other words they really cant take the blame or responsibility for their actions for themselves and upon others.

    So its plain to see how people that get involved with faiths like this, may actually not be the best kind of people to be around with, at least in

    my experience this is true. Selfishness, apathy, irresponsibility these are the kinds character profiles that can develop within peoples personalties and

    I have seen it many times in JWS.

    Personally I'd like to see all the gods disappear and let humanity work alone on are problems for are own sake, maybe thats why I choose to a atheist / humanist.

  • justhuman
    justhuman

    Satan is really powerfull in the WT world for the following reasons:

    1.When there is a miracle in the Christian Churches like the Orthodox, Catholic, it is the Devil that is doing miracles to deceive people.(So Devil heals a sick person, in other way he does a good deed to help someone in order to deceive people)

    2.Jehovah is powerless God, because He cannot do any miracles, since miracles seazed in the first Christian century, but on the other hand Devil took advantage of that and he is healing people for more than 1900 years!!!

    3.Jehovah's Saints have no power at all, while on the other hand the Saints of the Christians do heal and perform miracles. Again WT is credit them to the Devil....

    4.Demons are everywere, you can find them in the antique shops, specially when you purchase your self a cloth or an item from a second hand shop. While God's angels are on holiday and they are never helping anyone(in some rare cases only JW's who are doing the preaching work)

    5.Demons are in the music business, art, movies, in childrens games like smurfs, or trolls as I we know them in Europe, and God does not have a power to stop that.

    6.So God is only lockated in the Star of Pleiades, cannot be present everywere, needs a throne in heaven, while Satan moves freely in the surface of the earth doing good deeds, and helps the sick ones

    7. Jesus has no power at all to guard His Church against apostasy. He managed to keep the church clean from apostates for 150 years only. Then those louzy apostates turn the Church to apostate and twisted all the teachings of Jesus. Plus the power of the Holoy Spirit wasn't enough strong to keep way "false" teachings from the Church.Then suddenly in 1918 Jesus chosen a drunkard dictator cult leader in U.S called Rutherford, who was believing in Pyramids and many other bizzar teachings to be the only one that was doing God's will upon earth among the Christians.

    Are JW's sick or what???

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    It's not just the Jws that fall into that trap, a lot of the christains I know blame satan the devil for all the bad, for the temptations, for the wrong...pretty much for everything.

    It's their escape route you see. They need something to point too and say 'he made me do it' For them, it eleviates their role of responsiblity they have in whatever problem has occured. People don't want to believe that they themselves have contributed to the shit happening around them. Therefore they need a scape goat - and the poor devil is that....if only they could see the devil in themselves..

    hmmmm

  • DoomVoyager
    DoomVoyager

    Justhuman: Good stuff

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