Hi all, I asked another question on yahoo answers and would like to ask you to go drop your opinion on how you view the society's stand on higher education.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080916002310AAOrYwO
THANKS!
Is it fair for the Jehovah's Witnesses to compare college with a headshot?
by Tired of the Hypocrisy 8 Replies latest jw experiences
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JimmyPage
Good job, Tired. Keep making the bastards think.
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WTWizard
No, it's not fair. They claim college being like a gunshot to the head means that college is as deadly. Yet most people that enter college graduate quite alive; most people that get shot in the head do not.
Even spiritually dead, is another of their famous tricks. They misdefine "spiritually healthy" as believing everything the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger puts out, without question, and doing whatever they tell you regardless of the consequences. To me, that is fake spiritual "health". True spiritual health means doing what is good for self and/or society, refraining from doing what is bad for self and/or society (of course, within the limits of your knowledge), and not feeling guilty about it. Most children are thus born spiritually perfect, albeit with limited knowledge.
However, children are taught by the system and religion to do what is bad for self and/or society, to refrain from doing what is good for self and/or society, and made to feel guilty about doing good or not doing bad. Much of this is imposed in the form of rules from the parents. Some is school rules. Some is the disjointed fashion of learning (when I think back of all the crap I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can think at all). And a huge amount is religion. As we see, Jehovah's Witlesses are extreme at imposing what is bad for self and society, and restricting from what is good for self and society. Hence, all Jehovah's Witlesses are extremely spiritually sick.
If you go to college and see through the witlesses' beliefs, that is the first step toward becoming spiritually healthy again. You learn that some of the things they have been telling you to do are actually bad, and that some things you were banned from doing are in fact good. The pio-sneering goes out the window. Eventually, you find other things that are bad about the belief system. And you quit doing them, without feeling guilty about it. Spiritual health can in fact improve.
Then after you leave college, you do things the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger does not want you doing. So they claim you are spiritually sick, or in some cases even spiritually dead. When in fact, you have improved spiritual health. To me, that is an invalid comparison--I have yet to see anyone improve physically after being shot in the head, aside fluke situations.
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BluesBrother
"We are not master sof your faith, and it is up to you...but we discourage University education" ....They actively praised those who drop out ...even with a short way to go....The WTS will have a big backlash from 40 year old window cleaners in a few years time. How long have they been saying this kind of thing?
Well, they have always claimed the nearness of the end, but in the 50's they had a different attitude toward education
w52 2/15 p. 117 Should We Go to School or Quit? ***"
"That old question of last summer still haunts our minds. We still are wondering if we did the right thing in returning to finish high school. Or would it have been better if we had entered the full-time ministry in the service of our God Jehovah? You see, because of our dedication to do the will of God, we are not like the others here in school, whose only ambition is to get ahead, attain a high social position and make a lot of money. We know this old system of things will soon be destroyed at Armageddon, so why the reasons for attending high school when we could be out warning others? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,It is good to impress on your own and other people’s minds the nearness of Armageddon, but you do not need to quit school to do so. (2 Pet. 3:11, 12) Instead of running away to a distant pioneer territory why not accept your high school as an assignment, thus showing neighbor love toward these nearby ones? Get the basket off your light that others may see it and "give glory to your Father".—Matt. 5:15, 16, NW.....................................................
Being now fully convinced that it is proper and right to complete high school before entering the full-time ministry, go ahead with resolute determination to get as much as possible out of school. Remember the old saying, ‘you get out of it what you put into it.’ So study well. Do not be the dummy of the class. "Borrow" heavily from the modern-day Egyptians and Babylonians, even as Moses and Daniel and Daniel’s three companions did, that "in all matters of wisdom and understanding" you may be found "ten times better" than your classmates, so that those beholding your countenance may give honor and praise to your God Jehovah and his people.—Dan. 1:20; Acts 7:22."
BTW Has the gunshot story ever been verified?
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Tired of the Hypocrisy
Hey Joliet Jake!
The WTS will have a big backlash from 40 year old window cleaners in a few years time. How long have they been saying this kind of thing?
May 22, 1969 Awake page 15 is almost 40 years ago and they gave the same speach. I did a video that is dedicated to my buddy Jake and all the dispersed Bethelites who were used and discarded when they got sick or old.
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IT Support
Good question, TotH.
In his talk, Lösch tells the following story:
Maybe you still want to advocate the possibility of going to university. You may say: "You see, Brother X went to university, and now he is serving in the congregation and is also a pioneer." True, he may have survived university, so to speak. But what follows is a true experience of a young man who suffered from a compulsive disorder which made him wash his hands over and over again, even a hundred times a day. This disorder discouraged him so much that one day he decided to commit suicide. He bought a rifle, put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger. The bullet, however, didn't kill him, but instead, perforated the part of his brain that was responsible for his compulsive disorder. He survived and after that he managed to live a normal life. Yes, it's true, he survived, but would you recommend that other people imitate what that young man did? Similarly, some have survived university, but would you recommend that to others?
Is it really a true story, or did he trawl the internet for it?
Maybe someone's already mentioned it, but there is a certain similarity with this post on the Snopes site ...
Brain Dead
Claim: Man attempting to commit suicide by shooting himself in the head inadvertently saves his own life when the bullet excises his inoperable brain tumor.
Status: False[...]What do you think?
Was Lösch telling 'porky pies'?
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Witness 007
Sounds like he watched "Fight Club" in the final scene the character shoots himself in the head and kills his other personality.
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Jeremy C
I have said before that the Governing Body should be grateful that so many JWs have disobeyed the organization's anti-college stance.
If no JWs had gone to law school, who would have defended the Watchtower in their pedophilia litigation?
Had there been no JWs who received business training in college, who would be handling the Watchtower's complex business structure and Brooklyn real estate transactions?
Had there been no JWs who went to art school, who would have produced all of those professional paintings for the publications?
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VM44
Losch is mentally ill.