The rich man and Lazarus parable: ancient literature parallels?

by behemot 5 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • behemot
    behemot

    In their book Heaven: A History, Colleen McDannell and Bernhard Lang mention that some scholars doubt the authenticity of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16), given its strict parallels in ancient literature.

    To support this they make reference to the following essays (which I don't have access to):

    Isidore Levy, La legende de Pythagore: de Grece en Palestine, Campion, Paris 1927, pp. 310-12; Ronald F. Hock, Lazarus and Mycillus: Graeco-Roman Backgrounds to Luke 16:19-31 , in «Journal of Biblical Literature», 196 (1987), pp. 447-63; «Setne and Si-Osire», in Miriam Lichtheim, Ancient Egyptian Literature, University of California Press, Berkeley 1980, vol. III, pp. 138-42.

    Does anyone have access to these sources or knows details about the parallels discussed thereby?

    Behemot

  • freeme
    freeme

    this would help the no-soul and no-hell doctrine a lot but would kill the bible as being gods word.

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    There are definite parallels in older Jewish literature. Cue in...Leolaia...

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Well, I think it was Bultmann who first denied the authenticity of the parable but prior to him, as Hock points out, H. Gressmann argued that the parable originated as an adaptation of an Egyptian folktale of the reversal of fortunes of rich and poor after death. Hock pointed to parallels in Greco-Roman literature, particularly similar stories by Lucian of Samosata that reflect his Cynic philosophy about the pursuit of wealth. So the poor man Micyllus goes hungry all day and is drawn to the banquets of rich men like Megapenthes and Eucrates (but refused entry), who enjoy luxuries like purple clothing and gold and silver vessels. Then Megapenthes dies by drinking a poisoned beverage and Mincyllus dies while hard at work and they end up in Charon's boat to be ferried down to Hades. But Megapenthes tries to beg one of the Fates to allow him to return to life so he can complete his unfinished endeavors (similar to how the Rich Man begged Abraham to return to the world of the living), but his request is denied. Micyllus is sent to his reward of the Isles of the Blessed while Megapenthes has to experience his own desires being denied, such as being refused of drinking the waters of Lethe.

    Since Palestinian Judaism of the first century AD was influenced by Hellenism (cf. the older philosophy of Sirach) and since Lucian probably adapted a more common folktale, I think it is probable that there is a suitable Jewish context for the parable. But it is also worth noting that Luke in particular has a distinct emphasis on poverty/wealth polemics (as opposed to the other gospels, specifically in unique Lukan material), so the question still stands of whether this is early or represents a later Lukan development. The evidence from Galatians, Acts, James, and other sources however indicates that the earliest Jerusalem church led by James the Just pursued a lifestyle of elective poverty (cf. the later post-AD 70 appellation of this group as Ebionites, from Hebrew 'bywnym "the poor"), so it is possible that the parable derives from the teachings of the early Jerusalem church.

    The eschatology of the parable is also appropriate for first-century Judaism. The polemic against the rich who care not about the afterlife fits very well with Pharisee and Essene attitudes against the Sadducee wealthy who did not believe in a future resurrection and judgment (cf. Ecclesiastes for an early proto-Sadducee perspective). The Essenes, being the heirs of Enochic Judaism, differed from the Pharisees by having a primitive concept of the immortality of the soul (see Boccaccini's delineation of Essenism and its polemic against Pharisaism and Sadduceeism) and so they believed in an immediate post-mortem separation of the righteous and wicked after death. The older view in the Book of Parables of 1 Enoch (third century BC) is that the "souls of all the sons of men" (npsht kl bny 'nsh', notice the use of nephesh for the soul of a dead person) were gathered together and separated within Sheol itself (22:3), with the "spirits of the righteous" placed in a blessed chamber with a bright fountain of water and the "spirits of the sinners" separated in their own chamber "for this great torment, until the great day of judgment, of scourges and tortures of the cursed forever" (v. 9-10). The later Essene view was that the righteous were instead gathered in heaven (sometimes into the paradise of Eden itself, or into the angelic assembly) immediately after death whereas the wicked were consigned to the Pit for torments. This is the view in the first-century BC Thanksgiving Hymns (1QH), the Community Rule (1QS), and the first-century AD Enochic Book of Parables (whereas the older scheme persisted in the late Essene book of 4 Ezra). This is pretty close to the Lukan view, which also has Jesus promise entry to Paradise immediately after death (Luke 23:43; cf. Paul's references to the faithful going to heaven immediately after death in 2 Corinthians 5, the description of the phukhais "souls" of the dead martyrs in heaven awaiting their resurrection in Revelation, and similar views in the second century). The even later post-Essene work of 2 Enoch placed both the abodes of the wicked and righteous (e.g. paradise and Gehenna) in heaven itself. The Testament of Abraham, which is possibly a late first-century post-Essene work, specifically has Abraham's soul placed in Paradise in heaven after death, where the faithful would be gathered into "his bosom". The closest parallel is found in 4 Maccabees, an early first-century AD work that is non-Essene but showing more distinct influence from Hellenism and Pharisaism. This work states that "our patriarchs Abraham and Isaac and Jacob do not die to God but live to God" (7:19, 16:25, cf. Luke 20:37-38), and claims that "if we so die, Abraham and Isaac and Jacob will welcome us" (13:17), whereas "the danger of eternal torment lies before those who transgress the commandment of God" (13:15). Josephus' description of Pharisee eschatology is also strongly colored by Hellenistic ideas about the soul and then there were strictly Hellenistic Jewish works in the diaspora like Wisdom (first century BC) and the writings of Philo of Alexandria (early first century AD) which only had a concept of the immortal souls of the righteous going to heaven (i.e. lacking the ideas of resurrection and final judgment found in both Pharisaism and Essenism).

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    So, Leo, we can take that as a "yes"?

  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    Is there life after death?

    A contentious analysis of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus against Jehovah's Witnesses.

    The parable of the rich man and Lazarus has always been a thorn in the side of the Witnesses, as it seems at first reading to naturally assume the survival of the soul after death. According to the traditional Christian explanation, the characters involved - if not literal - definitely represent individual people, not groups of people. The story is so well-known that the Watchtower Society was forced to provide a detailed explanation.

    They consider the story to be entirely symbolic to cut off any reference to the soul and hellfire. Charles Taze Russell argued that Abraham's bosom, taken literally, could not be large enough for all Lazarus. However, this objection is shallow, as Abraham's bosom is depicted as large as there are people there, so the story is about a single Lazarus, not many. Then he says it is impossible to believe that the rich man went to a place of torment because of his wealth, and Lazarus was saved because of his poverty. But this is not a decisive argument, as the text does not talk about the reasons, only the fate of the two people.

    According to them, "Jesus uses the rich man to illustrate the Jewish religious leaders," and "the beggar Lazarus illustrates those people who are denied proper spiritual nourishment and privileges by the religious leaders" (Greatest Man, Part 88). And what does the death of the two people "illustrate"? "Starting with the preaching of [John the Baptist] and Jesus, both the rich man and Lazarus die to their previous state or circumstances." This peculiar explanation relies on Luke 16:16, which precedes the parable by several verses, stating that "The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then, the good news of the kingdom of God is preached" - expressing the great change in circumstances. The needs of Lazarus-like humble people are now met by the scriptural truths mediated by Jesus, so they no longer need the "crumbs falling from the spiritual table of the religious leaders." The latter are in "symbolic torments" because they "stubbornly refused the Kingdom message taught by Jesus."

    The only thing that can be opposed to this interpretation is that there is a clear shift between Luke 16:16 and the Lazarus parable, with two discourses inserted in between: about the full validity of the law and about divorce. Only then does Lazarus come. It is therefore an excessive boldness to connect as evidence what the Lord himself chose to speak separately. Nevertheless, here it is only an opinion against an opinion, so this explanation seems contrived to the reader who grew up on the traditional interpretation, but there is no blatant heresy in it.

    The inaccuracy of the Watchtower explanation becomes clear from the fact that it cannot embrace the whole parable; and it turns the punchline into a meaningless appendix at the end of the parable. According to the Brooklyn headquarters, the torments described here are nothing more than "God's fiery judgment messages, proclaimed by Jesus' disciples," and the "rich man class" asks them to stop "proclaiming judgment messages." It would be appropriate now to clarify what kind of "judgment messages" the apostles proclaimed - because as far as I know, they preached the Gospel. Even to those who previously belonged to the "rich man class" (Acts 2:23). There is a serious inconsistency in the Witnesses' explanation: if there is no conversion after "symbolic death" ("the great chasm illustrates God's unchangeable, just judgment"), then why did Peter preach the forgiveness of sins to those who, in his opinion, "crucified Jesus with their sinful hands"? According to the explanation in the "Greatest Man," "the change takes place on Pentecost 33 A.D., a few months later, when the Old Covenant is replaced by the New Covenant." Well, then why did Paul still preach repentance to the Jews (Acts 28:23)? We cannot use the loophole that during the great change, the "rich man class" still had to be offered a choice - because this argument undermines the finality and "symbolic death" nature of the change. What kind of "symbolic death" is it during which one can repent? It seems that Jehovah's Witnesses have created purgatory independently of the Roman Catholics. Furthermore, according to the Watchtower, preaching is a "judgment message" for the "rich man class" - how can it also be an opportunity for them to repent?

    In conclusion, the Jehovah's Witnesses' interpretation of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is fraught with inconsistencies and contrivances that make it difficult to fully accept their explanation. The traditional understanding of the parable, which assumes the survival of the soul after death and offers a more straightforward reading, remains a valid perspective for many.

    I would like to note in passing that only something with a literal meaning that is obvious to everyone and contains no internal contradictions can be used as a symbol. Listeners can only understand the underlying meaning if the literal interpretation evokes something in them, allowing them to infer the invisible spiritual reality. And what are we talking about here? Death and torment. If death is symbolic and the torments are also symbolic (as the book "The Greatest Man" claims), then the parable can only be complete if evildoers suffer literal torments after literal death. Otherwise, the Lord would have used a false image as the starting point for his teaching (the rich man tormented in the flames of Hades after his death). His teaching would then have no basis in reality: he would have based his message on a false statement. This is, of course, an impossibility – so the error lies in the teaching of the Watchtower.

    The older explanation by Russell was as follows: The rich man represents the Jewish people, and the Gentile Christians represent Lazarus. While the Jews often begged the nations to alleviate the flames of their persecution, this was not possible. This could still be discussed in 1916, but a year later, the demarcation of the State of Israel began, and since 1946, Jews have been migrating back to the promised land en masse – undoubtedly due to the decisions of the great powers. So much for Russell's confident explanation.

    But the Lord did not finish with this. He gave the parable an ending in which the Witnesses' knife breaks badly. The rich man asks Abraham to let Lazarus go and bear witness to his father's house and his five brothers. We see a clumsy explanation from the Brooklyn "faithful and wise servant," which says, "the rich man here openly admits that he has a closer relationship with another father, who is Satan, the Devil." What kind of evasion is this? The Pharisees did not "openly admit" before or after Jesus' resurrection that their father was the devil, and they did not plead with the "Greater Abraham," i.e., Jehovah, to end their torments. They did not feel any torment at all, although the rich man in the story was clearly suffering.

    The Watchtower is playing a reverse game with the element that the rich man did not even know about the existence of the great chasm – because they "interpret" this chasm as the Pharisees being unable to convert. But what kind of twisted concept of conversion is it that someone wants to convert, knows how to do it, but cannot? It is ridiculous to try to justify this by referring to the Pharisees' fear of losing their livelihood, as they were such fierce enemies of Christ precisely because they were the "blind leading the blind." They did not oppose Him because they feared bankruptcy for their religious enterprise, but because they sincerely believed they were right. I wonder how ordinary Witnesses can accept such a theory from the Brooklyn headquarters – they must have to twist their Bibles upside down for that.

    And it also needs to be explained why the rich man himself could not go to his brothers? I repeat: the rich man class is allegedly on earth and suffers torments there. He wants to repent but cannot (this assumption already contradicts the message of the New Testament, which says that now is the "time of refreshing," the "day of salvation"). But why can't he get up from his place (on earth), walk down the paved street on his own two feet, and tell his "religious allies" with his own mouth about the torments he is suffering? Why did he want to send Lazarus to his brothers – the very Witnesses who tormented him? It's even worse that Lazarus couldn't go either – so Jehovah's Witnesses shouldn't bear witness to their "religious allies," lest they convert! Witnesses have always been proud of their logic: well, let them untangle this knot if they can.

    Russell identifies the rich man and his five brothers with the two main Palestinian Jewish tribes, Judah and Benjamin, as well as the other tribes scattered in the diaspora, which is appealing but historically false: the other tribes didn't just disperse, their tribal identity ceased to exist. Nevertheless, we don't hear about Palestinian Jews following the spreading Christianity with great conversion intentions, as they were constantly hindering the spread of the word. If we stick to Russell's casting, we should rather talk about the rich man jumping out of the fiery hell without asking permission and starting to beat Lazarus with a whistle because he dared to go to the five brothers to warn them of the danger.

    And further, Abraham replied to the rich man, "They have Moses and the prophets; let them listen to them." So there is conversion after all; but for whom? According to the Watchtower, the five brothers represent the "religious allies" of the rich man class. Well, I respectfully ask: why didn't the "symbolic death" affect these "allies"? Didn't the new covenant apply to them? How did they earn this exceptional "third way" of staying with Moses and the Prophets while Christ's disciples carried the alleged "judgment messages" to the "ends of the earth"? This is a tricky question.

    And the Lord, as if deliberately speaking this parable against Jehovah's Witnesses, continued: the rich man requested Lazarus' resurrection, thinking that the miracle would convince his erring brothers. This is the point where the these Bible Researchers' knowledge fails. Even the otherwise ingenious and resourceful Brooklyn teaching office remains silent at this point. For how could the previous, compulsive interpretation be forced onto what is said here? If "symbolic death" is a transition from the old covenant to the new, then "resurrection" logically means returning to the law. However, this is such a mental triple salto that even the "faithful and wise servant" would stumble, so they remain silent. But the question awaits an answer: why does the Lord mention resurrection here? The commentary escapes into generalities: "So God does not give special signs or miracles to convince people."

    This is true, but a resurrection is only a "sign" or "miracle" if taken literally. So, Abraham denied nothing but Lazarus' bodily resurrection to the rich man. That is, Lazarus literally died, not just symbolically. However, neither Lazarus nor the rich man represents entire "classes" of people, but rather individuals, even if they are fictional, allegorical figures. So we have come to the conclusion that human consciousness remains after physical death. Thus, the doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses that the whole person is destroyed at physical death has been refuted.

    I presented this line of thought to several Jehovah's Witnesses who rang my doorbell (and were increasingly more educated), but all I achieved was that they no longer visited.

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