Brothers studying for Phds concerned about stand on higher education

by truthseeker 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    This is a post from ChannelC and is relevant here for the discussion of higher education.

    http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index.cgi

    Hi friends,

    Perhaps some of you have read the forums and seen the WTS has moved one step further backwards in its attitude to education.

    Apparently they are now 'removing privileges' from ministerial servants and elders whose children go to university.

    This comment showing their hypocrisy was on a thread on Paradise Cafe recently:

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    The Friends need to think seriously about their future and the future of their children under such policies.

    Several Brothers that I keep in contact with are Phd's, studying to be Phd's, and publish theological material. They are all very concerned.

    One other oddity, if you open any Watchtower you will see the name of Gerry Simonis Secretary-Treasurer. Gerry is a graduate of UCLA and was one of the top Financial Advisors in the country before he sold his practice in Newport Beach, Ca. and moved to Bethel with his wife Judy. I was in his Hall in Long Beach for a while and we were both Elders at the same time. Brilliant man, and he has guided the fortunes of the Watchtower Society for some time now. But what a double standard. Other bright young men or women won't be able to follow in his educational footsteps.

  • Seeker4
    Seeker4

    Ah! Thanks for this post and link.

    Interesting stuff.

    S4

  • Prov1320
    Prov1320

    I told my JW mom about this and she said with utter suprise: "How are they supposed to earn a living!!!".

    She sounded very concerned. I'm going to start a new thread soon about the ongiong saga.

    Stay tuned.

    Prov

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    So they give doctorates in apologetic use of pseudo-logic now?

  • sspo
    sspo

    So hyprocritical on the part of the GB.

    I personally know 2 individuals that were raised in the religion, went to universities even though the society discouraged it and now they both serve at Bethel.

    Interestengly most religions, such as Mormons, they encourage their young men to get a degree and they have a much higher retention rate then the witnesses do.

  • gabriella
    gabriella

    They are actually taking 'privileges' away now for going to college? Unreal! Who is going to pay the Kingdom Hall mortgages? I am in Nursing School to get my R.N. and ever j.w. I run across act like it's a big waste of time. So, I can imagine how they react to those going for their PHD. When will they allow people to think for themselves? I really want to retire in Tuscany someday and ask them if it was still a big waste of my time.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Not only they are removing "privileges(??)" if they go to college. They are also removing "privileges(??)" from anyone that lets their children go to college without fighting it, except if it is "absolutely necessary" or part of job training to maintain a current position (if you are seeking a promotion, you have to turn it down). And, they are taking "privileges(??)" if any hounder or assistant hounder even talks of college in a positive way.

    No wonder they are witlesses.

  • mcsemike
    mcsemike

    I cannot fathom the incredible amount of stupidity shown by the WT. They've been told for years that working people with good jobs can donate more money than HS graduates. Another thing is that people with good jobs can attend all the meetings because they don't have to work 2 or 3 jobs to pay their bills. They also have better health care and can afford to visit the doctor when sick so they get better more quickly and can get back to the meetings and field service. (Although doing that would make any thinking JW violently ill all over again.)

    Most elders I knew had good jobs and HAD gone to college. So they only needed to work 40 hours a week and therefore had time for evening meetings, weekend trips to "elder school" (with cookies and milk provided for a "donation"), and time to meet in Judicial Committees in order to DF rank and file JW's for calling them liars when they said there was no "clergy class", yet claiming "clergy confidentiality" in court and also showing that there was a clergy class by their very act of DF'ing all those who said there was one. (I'm confused about this also. I was a servant. But I never got the chance, thank God, to "hear confessions". What fun that must have been, listening to people begging forgiveness for kissing their soon-to-be spouse or listening to what the congregation "rat finks" had to say when they squealed on their "friends".) God, that still makes me so sick. You have to wonder about grown men and women who have nothing better to do than rush to the elders and say, "Ooooh, Elder Brain Donor, I saw Brother KissSis making out with Sister Desperate. Can I watch them die at Armageddon?? Please, please?? Can I, please???" I find it so ironic that JW's can kiss an elder's ass, yet there are many rules about how or where to kiss their wife.

    Flipper, if you read this, what do you think? Am I right to conclude that the WT of today has more rules, more silly and "none of the elders' damn business rules", and more rules governing the private lives of all JW's than the Pharisees could ever have had?? An education would help at least SOME of them to see that their rules and teachings will NOT help JW's enjoy a better life, even as JW's.

    They are dumping a huge number of Bethel workers and others from around the world. It must have been brought to their attention that most of these "early retirement cases" can't find work because they have no skills except lying, ass-kissing, arrogance, buying K-Mart clothes and polyester, and they know all of the donut and coffee places in town. (Like the rest of us don't know how to find Dunkin' Donuts.) I'm hoping the ones "laid off" will sue the WT for "cruel and inhumane treatment" while on the job.

    If most of these people being let go are men under 40 years old, many will no doubt try to catch up on the "normal" things JW's do out in the congregations. The men will date women, the ten women for every one man will try to land this "prize" from Bethel (probably breaking most Bible rules in the process because they will need to fight dirty to beat the other nine women), a few babies will suddenly appear (either by choice or else the woman trying to start a family before it's too late), and the proud parents will both have to attend the University of Mickey D. (UMD, doesn't quite sound like a good place to go).

    Possibly one or both parents, and maybe even their kids, will eat more than their share of junk food. This will either be due to stopping at Dunkin' Donuts or McD's whenever they go out in service, or when the kids (or maybe even a parent) ends up working at a fast food place and gets a free lunch or dinner from their menu, which we all know is such great food.

    I am sure the GB has tried to analyze all of the angles. I personally know that the majority of people who continue to get an education are more likely to quit, or not join the WT cult in the first place. This is usually due to the fact that they can do or did do research on the WTS and also have been taught how to "think" rather than being taught how to "obey", which is what the JW's do. So it's no surprise that the WT doesn't want JW's to be exposed to the world of education. They would become smarter, more logical, and would be exposed to fair and unbiased information about the WTS. So education is anathema (defined as a formal ecclesiastical ban) because it helps new people not to join this cult and it also makes those already in it question what they are being taught. The more education, the more questions they ask. Since the WT made it all up and there ARE no answers, the elders become more annoyed since they realize they are idiots, and the one with the questions is considered to be an "apostate" more and more as time goes on and the questions continue.

    Someone said there will be a "brain drain" with people leaving the WTS. Considering the amount of thinking people in the WTS, this process shouldn't take too long. In conclusion, my main concern is the waste of a good life that a young person could have. This point annoys since I was a victim of this very same policy. But that's another post.

    My best to all and good health to you. M.A.N.

  • hardhearted
    hardhearted

    What about elder's whose wives are in grad school??? Ooooooh... Can anyone confirm that this information is actually being presented in the Thursday C.O talk? That is what I heard...

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