23 “Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Im·man´u·el,” which means, when translated, “With Us Is God.” (Matt 1:23, NWT)
"...toward but the Son, The throne of you, the God, into the age of the age..." (Hebrews 1:8a, KIT)
What are the JW arguments of Matt 1:23 and Heb 1:8?
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sacolton
Don't forget this one ...
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.That's God with an uppercase G.
The Father resides in the Son. The Son resides in the Father.
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Shazard
I am reading Ireneaus of Lyon "Versus Heresies"! Funny is that JW even try to reference him in their Trinity magazine, but I wander if any JW even have read Ireneaus! As he explicitly refutes heretics who believe that Christ was mere man and not God. He countless times prooves by scriptures, tradition and reason that Christ is both man and God... And that is end of 2nd century, that is 2 centuries to Nicea creed!
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OBVES
I know from the past when I was a catholic I used Hebrews 1.8 to prove Jesus was God literally. Later on I came to the view that overthrow my catholic view ! Those of Jehovah's Witnesses who discussed with at home were not so good in convincing me they were right who was Jesus.
Many views Jehovah's Witnesses hold are not very well explained .
John 17.3 is crystal clear Jesus referred to the Father as the only True God. So whenever the word God is applied to someone else it must be interpreted figuratively or so not to be in contradiction with John 17.3.
Moses was called God - Exodus 7.1 .He was not God literally of course. He was God's spokesperson through whom God Yahweh was revealing His power and glory. So the more Jesus should be called God if our sins are forgiven through him.
Great ones in Israel were called gods - Psalm 82.6.
So the great ones in a new covenant : Jesus Christ and his 144000 disciples must be gods. Since Jesus is number 1 of them we can call him God by capital G. That doesn't mean he is God literally ! As he himself is called Son of God - of God ! He is of God ,not God.
And he calls his Father God - John 20.17.
Hebrew 1.8 must be interprted using the other verses of the Bible - Psalm 45 and Pslam 72 .
Of the Son ..God speaks .. = To the Son God Yahweh gives the testimiony that is God breathes into him the words he speaks to God :
"Thy Throne , oh God , ....
It is Jeus speaking to God the Father as " Oh God " ! Not vice versa like it is commonly taken !- Hebrew 1.8.
Isaiah 9.6 is commonly misinterpreted: this doesn't mean that Jesus is the Father or Mighty God but that through Jesus people can learn who is God the Father and Who is Mighty God !
Jesus is the Son of God, God as number one servant of God Yahweh, he was made Savior as sins are forgiven through him
Like through Moses who was called God Isralites could know who is God Yahweh who worked through Moses.
Now through greater God than Moses we can know who is God Yahweh - the Father of Jesus Christ.
All christians who believe Jesus is God literally and there must be the Holy Trinity are heretics.
Jehovah's Witnesses got the right Jesus enough to be called true christians.