Anyone have Rutherford's "Face the Facts" talk as a mp3?

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  • VM44
    VM44

    Does anyone have Judge Rutherford's 1938 "Face the Facts" talk as an mp3?

    Here is what TIME magazine said at the time about the talk:

    Judge Rutherford's rambling, worldwide speech was entitled "Face the Facts." Its gist: "A hideous monstrosity is rapidly moving to rule the world by dictators and to regiment the people. God, by His holy prophets, thousands of years ago, as recorded in the Bible, foretold this great menace, its cause, and what will be the result."

    I want to hear Judge Rutherford "rambling"!

  • VM44
    VM44

    Here is the whole TIME article from which I quoted.

    Time Magazine, "Face the Facts", Monday, Sep. 19, 1938

    Jehovah's Witnesses, or the International Bible Students Association, is a sect which believes it is helping to establish God's kingdom on earth, distrusts formalized religion (particularly Roman Catholicism), engages in periodic spats with the law because its members like to peddle anticlerical pamphlets, dislike to have their children salute the flag in school. The longtime pontiff of Jehovah's Witnesses is rawboned Judge Joseph Frederick Rutherford. The Judge is the big money-maker for the sect, which claims that 275,000,000 copies of his writings have been circulated in 80 languages.

    No paupers, Jehovah's Witnesses could well afford last week to hire wire and wireless telephone facilities from American Telephone & Telegraph Co. for a hook-up between Royal Albert Hall in London and auditoriums in 23 U. S., ten Canadian, ten Australian, four New Zealand cities. In those auditoriums, according to Witnesses' calculations, were gathered 100,000 listeners while, in Albert Hall, Judge Rutherford faced most of England's 5,000 Witnesses and 5,000 outsiders who had come to hear what it was all about.

    Judge Rutherford's rambling, worldwide speech was entitled "Face the Facts." Its gist: "A hideous monstrosity is rapidly moving to rule the world by dictators and to regiment the people. God, by His holy prophets, thousands of years ago, as recorded in the Bible, foretold this great menace, its cause, and what will be the result."

  • cabasilas
    cabasilas

    I second the request to listen to the Judge rambling.

    The text can be read here:

    http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/booklets/facefacts.html

    But, it'd have more impact to listen to it.

  • glenster
    glenster

    That recording is good evidence for several cases about Rutherford and how the
    majority of scrapes his followers got into really happened, which JWs leaders
    typically direct the blame for away from themselves.

    As generally shown otherwise with all JWs leaders, since Rutherford's cooked
    up claim to be the exclusive spokesperson for a tiny group involved repudiated
    requirements for salvaton to define his own exclusiveness, he regularly propa-
    gandized against people who held the better attested cases. This is a time
    when propagandizing against mainstream Christianity notably meant competing with
    the Mein Kampf propaganda Hitler wanted German Christians, the majority of his
    constituency, to fall for.

    - Rutherford claimed Armageddon was imminent and only those who agreed with
    Rutherford (a tiny percentage) would survive--he had followers frequently pub-
    lically spread the accusation that all others were Satanic. (Compare Paul's
    advice on how to gain followers at 1 Cor.10:32 to 11:1.)

    - Hitler, for strictly political reasons, wanted the PR to be that he was in
    alliance with the Pope. Rutherford made what was basically an exaggerated
    Hitler's Pope sort of case to the extent of characterizing the Pope as a fascist
    who was Hitler's religious right hand man. A more responsible coverage of some
    of that, including the Pope's non-Rutherford concern to rescue Jewish people
    (criticized in that it could have been greater but not for being less than
    Rutherford's), is at the next links.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Pope
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII
    http://www.randytv.com/Hitler/beyond_revisionism.htm

    It's also ironic in that generalizations should refer to what's mostly true--
    over 50%--and most Catholics and Protestants saw Rom.13, etc., as calling on
    them to fight against Hitler's fascism, but Rutherford's prophet-playing take on
    Rom.13, etc., scammed most JWs into trying to talk people out of doing it, a
    point not lost on those people.

    - Rutherford blamed everyone but himself for getting the followers in scrapes
    and thrown in German prison camps. But, like anyone else, especially in turbu-
    lent times when people already had too much to worry about, he had to know that
    if you scam them into broadcasting what is well known to be prejudice against
    groups of people, daring them to belt those followers, through those people's
    neighborhoods, eventually they were going to find someone who'd accomodate them.

    That's why I say an easy cure for the JWs' troubles would have been to get him
    out of the mansion and put him at the front of the door-to-door line. He would
    have started thinking of different interpretations, "Paul said to not give
    offense," etc.... If the pacifistic approach is debatable, it isn't that he
    could have chosen to guide them in a strategically safer way, but his elitism
    wouldn't consider such discretion.

    And Hitler didn't have the JWs marked for genocide like he did the Jewish peo-
    ple--he just wanted them to stay out of his way politically and showed he'd use
    force to do it. It wasn't the Pope, etc., it was Rutherford's own bungled pro-
    phet-playing in his 2nd biggest marketing group, Germany, at 1st pandering then
    threatening Hitler that he'd send unarmed JWs followers into German streets with
    Rutherford tracts so critical of Hitler God would destroy Hitler soon, that got
    JWs thrown into German prison camps.
    http://www.freewebs.com/glenster1/gtjbrooklyn6.htm

  • TheWonderofYou
    TheWonderofYou

    "Face the Facts", 1938 J.F.Rutherford ..... start listening at 41:00 speaking him against "totalitarian combine" or "monstorsity" and "the Roman Hierachy" (enemies of the people) who fight against Jehovah, who was called the "the friend of the people".

    Did Rutherford exploit the people's fear of totalitarianism for his purpose or did he upbuild them with positive hopeful biblical thoughts inmidst a time of persecution ?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpc23pTykuA

    Link to a tract version

    http://liberalgeek.com/sites/default/files/jehovahs-witnesses-rutherford-1938-face-the-facts.pdf


    "TIME" article also discussed in these threads

    https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/189248/time-comments-on-judge-rutherfords-face-facts-1938 or

    https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/130152/looking-back-face-facts

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