John 17:3 - Redux

by Farkel 5 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    John 17:3 - Redux

    When you've been an active demonized apostate for as long as I have, you would have to conclude that outside of "new light" and current events in dubland, everything that could be written about the follies of the WTS has already been written and discussed many times.

    Yet there are many new ex-dubs who haven't had the time to find this out. I see it in here all the time. Someone finds a site that contains information that s/he thinks is explosive and starts a new thread about it, not knowing that myself and others are quite familiar with that information. Yet, some subjects are still worth "resurrecting" from time-to-time.

    The NWT reading of John 17:3 is a good example. Now EVERY dub knows that verse:

    *** Rbi8 John 17:3 ***
    3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

    Dubs on average only know about 15-25 scriptures total in the Bible, but this is one of the biggies for them and they all know this one.

    What's wrong with the translation of this verse? Well, it is different from any other translation I've ever seen.

    The WTS version states that everlasting life comes from gaining knowledge about God and Jesus. All other versions state that everlasting life comes from KNOWING God and Jesus. This infers an intimate relationship that goes far beyond just knowing stuff. The WTS spends precious little time encouraging their members to get to KNOW God and Jesus, but they spending a hell of a lot of time encouraging their members to take in knowledge (from WTS publications) about God and Jesus.

    This is not a distinction without a difference, either. It's like a person saying to another, "you know all about me, but you don't know me at all."

    I will assert that a person can come to know God without reading a single verse in the Bible, or any other holy book. I will assert that a person can come to know Jesus, while being ignorant of many of the things written about Jesus.

    But only "learning" sells books and magazines, and the "taking in of knowledge" is a never-ending cycle which requires books and more books because "taking in" implies a life-long continuum of learning.

    Learning about but never being able to know God is the WT Gospel. Yes, it sells books, but what misery it creates for poor little dubbies who believe they can only intellectualize God, but never really know God.

    Fred Franz knew exactly what he was doing when he "translated" John 17:3. He knew his version would sell books.

    Farkel

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    Hell the religion teaches that most of what's recorded in the New Testament aka Christian Greek Scriptures doesn't even apply to 99.9999 percent of it's membership. Therefore why would most of them want or need to know God or Jesus?

  • Mysterious
    Mysterious

    Interesting. I usually avoid the scripture threads but this was a new one for me. What an insidious spin they put on everything.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos
    everlasting life comes from KNOWING God and Jesus

    Actually the text says that "eternal life" IS the "knowing" itself.

    Iow, the NWT puts the carrot at the end of a double stick: continuously strive to get the knowledge which in turn may get you somewhere.

    On a more technical note, either FWFranz never heard about the difference between verbs of action and verbs of cognition, or he deliberately ignored it. In active verbs, the present tense may denote a gradual process (which the NWT usually translates well, although oftentimes with some exaggeration). In cognitive verbs, this is not the case: either you know or you don't. The present tense of "knowing" doesn't mean "learning" (there are other verbs for that).

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Farkel

    I agree that its an important distinction.

    I will assert that a person can come to know God without reading a single verse in the Bible, or any other holy book. I will assert that a person can come to know Jesus, while being ignorant of many of the things written about Jesus.

    I agree.

    Sirona

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse

    Wow, I never knew this. I really appreciate when people bump older topics for us newbies.

    Mickey.

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