Had a long talk w/ my mom about why I don't believe billions are gonna die.

by cognac 6 Replies latest jw friends

  • cognac

    Somehow, she thinks that I think a lot like God now... I just told her how much it bothers me. I told her not to correct me, but to trust that Jehovah will correct any wrong thinking...

    But, I lit into it. I just went on and on about how horrible it is to think that and my heart isn't made to feel that way...

    I said that I'm not causing divisions, so how can I get in trouble simply for the way my heart is, something that I can't even control??? Clearly, I love Jehovah very much so why can't they have enough trust and faith in him to correct the situation if correction is needed? Why do they feel the need to control a situation where in fact, for all they know, Jehovah might in fact be protecting my heart? They really don't know. So, wouldn't it be better to listen and find out why I feel the way I feel? I will listen to your response to the way I feel, as long as you don't judge or even expect to change what my heart is...

    Now, she is going to talk to my Dad about listening to me more. Evidently, she understands completely why I feel the way I feel...

    Or, it could be that I said that I would only go to my Dad, and if he didn't listen, I would just feel the way I feel and not tell anyone. But, my heart would still feel the same...

    I think she's gonna have a long talk with my Dad...

  • oompa

    This whole billions dying thing is just sick.....and it used to make me want to scream when we were told how thankful to God we should be for delaying the end so more could come in.........I saw on youtube today that about 508 are baptized each day.......BUT........about 200,000 are born each day.........I]m sure you see the problem there.........................oompa

    have not verified these numbers, but I think they are correct or very close

  • cognac

    Yeah, Oompa... I hear you...

    I said to my mom that my heart would die in thinking that way. I simply would be dead inside. I just couldn't live with that... The pain of thinking that way is unbearable...

  • flipper

    COGNAC- I brought that same subject up to my daughter last week when I met her for coffee. I asked her, " How can God kill 6, 994,000 ,000 people and only let 6 million live ? " She said, " We don't believe that Dad. God is the judge. I'm sure he will allow others to survive . " But I told her they teach them that only the witnesses survive. She disagreed - so I just dropped it. I hope you can have a good heart to heart talk with your dad. Good luck, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • WTWizard

    As I see it, there is no way all of those who are not witlesses deserve to die simply for not being whole-souled about being witlesses. I also remember being told that the fence belongs to Satan, so many that are in will also die for not being totally in.

    That means that, if you are associating but not baptized, you die. If you are publishing the message but are not baptized, you die. If you are baptized but there is another 1% more you could be doing, you die. If you are not as zealous for the cancer as the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger wants you to be, you die. Effectively, neutral is not good enough. And neither is moderately positive.

    Objectively, only those who are actively trying to ruin things for mankind deserve dying. This includes those who are taking the lead in creating laws that prevent society from operating effectively. It also includes those religious leaders that try to make everything that we should enjoy a guilt trip. And it especially includes those of the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger class. I guess it's no wonder they would never give me Ted Jaracz's job--the first thing I would do would be to purge the cult of all rules that impede the full enjoyment of life (and I would encourage constructive criticism so I could find any mistakes I would still make and fix them while they are still minor mistakes).

  • Samuel Thorsen
    Samuel Thorsen

    Isn't it amazing. I have not met one sigle dub yet who really believes that everyone else is going to die. They says "Jehober is judge", "he will look at the hearts" and so on. They just close their eyes for quotes like this:

    "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep. 1 p.19

    Check out this one and a lot more of the same at http://jwfacts.com/index_files/salvation.htm

    Please show them the quotes and ask if they really are opposers of the FDS!

  • real one
    real one

    I do not believe that only jw will live forever. According to the Bible anyone that calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. God is not a liar.Romans 10:9 tells us how to be saved. I am around people who try to live a Godly life as much as possible. I also try to live a Godly life, trying not to sin but also knowing that my Father in heaven has forgiven me for my sins.

    My belief also according to the Bible is that at Armageddon the believers that are still alive will be caught up with the Lord. You know the way Russell had all those Bible students out on that bridge waiting for the Lord to come. I believe this will happen but no one knows the date. We just wait to hear his voice. I do not want to be here when Armageddon comes. Who would want to be here? I hear witness talking about surviving Armageddon but they can stay here if they want to to see all that destructionand death. I'll be where Jesus wants me to be until it is over. Heaven will be a nice place to be. Some will be saved at Armageddon but why not get saved now? Why wait until such a horrible time to call on the Lord. I bet all those intelluctuals will be thinking again then!

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