When Rutherford was cited by Coughlin and the Fascist Poet Pound

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  • chasson
    chasson

    In Vindication Volume II, you can find a series of letter allegdly written by the english bankers Rothschild to some banker in United States. Rutherford wanted to prove by this letters the conspiracy of "money maker" for the beginning of the Civil War. (pages 170 to 179 of Vindication Volume II)


    I have searched where Rutherford has found these letters, he said that it was published in an missourian newspaper in 1890, and mentioned an old men living in New-York as the man who has revealed these letters.


    Couglin has made mention of these letters in "Money!" published in 1936. Ezra Pound, a fascist poet, has made reference to them in his canto 46 from his book "The Fifth Decade of Cantos" (1937). For a biography of this man see: http://www.poets.org/poet.php/prmPID/161


    I have found no reference prior to the book of Rutherford (1932), i am inclined to think that it is the source of the others, that Coughlin and Pound have read the book of Rutherford and cited him (without mentionned him)


    For an interesting review of this passage: http://books.google.com/books?id=My2rlb0bnx0C&pg=RA2-PA268&lpg=RA2-PA268&dq=rothschild+ikleheimer&source=web&ots=Ul9TLbMtd8&sig=fzGaq8YASk4weFfB-kcsL-bpvak#PRA2-PA268,M1


    Sorry, i am on firefox, copy and paste the links in your browser.



  • dilaceratus
    dilaceratus

    It would be fairly hilarious were Rutherford linked, however elliptically, to Pound, but the Rutherford -> Coughlin -> Pound connection is enormously unlikely. In fact, the Pound in Purgatory page you cite references The Hazard Circular, in which the alleged Rothschild letter was printed in the early 1860s.

    Considering that Rutherford and Coughlin played in the same nativist, grossly uninformed and superficial conspiracy-mongering muck, some overlap is to be expected. After all, the exact same disgusting lies are still being spread by hate groups today.

  • chasson
    chasson

    If the "Hazar Circular" is a true document and not a forgery, it is allegly published in 1862. The letters are from 1863.

  • dilaceratus
    dilaceratus

    Pound specifically quotes the 1862 Hazard Circular. See p. 344 of Selected Prose 1909-1965 New Directions Publishing, 1973), here:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=G6O1YxxCT24C&pg=PA344&lpg=PA344&dq=%22hazard+circular%22+1862&source=web&ots=iSixcExxRz&sig=yPgRQghetqQyVbABTqSiMBdasDI#PPA344,M1

    The 1863 letter is quoted by one of the principal founders of the Federal Reserve, Sen Robert L. Owen, on pp. 99-100 in his National Economy and the Banking System (U.S. Government Printing Office, 1939), so it's much more likely one of those things that was in the air during the enormous increase of anti-Semitism during the 1930s than it was original to Rutherford.

    A look at some of the references and contents of the work of a similar proto-New World Order whacko glorying in the name Wing Anderson indicates how drearily unimaginative conspiracy theorists really were (and are):

    http://books.google.com/books?id=dTR5wgP-mG8C&pg=PA233&dq=%22hazard+circular%22+1862&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=0_1&sig=xXpk-ynuurHcpZsD8GL5BSylRcY

  • chasson
    chasson

    Thanks for you research dilaceratus, you have convinced me.

  • chasson
    chasson

    Just another question: What was "the Populist movement" the old man that Rutherford was talking about seems to have had some implication in it ?

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