Did the Ancient Jews follow into the footsteps of their captors regarding the afterlife?

by I_love_Jeff 4 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • I_love_Jeff
    I_love_Jeff

    Job 14:22

    But his flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn.


    Physical sensation after death
    Was it not the opinion of the ancient Jews that the soul retained somewhat of the sensation of the flesh until the body had entirely dissolved? It would not be strange if such were the fact, considering the proximity of the Jews to the Egyptians; since the Egyptians held the notion that the continuance of the soul’s existence depended upon the preservation of the bodily organism, a notion which led to the embalming and secure burial of the corpse. Tacitus distinctly ascribes this notion to the Jews as its originators. There are also some Old Testament texts which at first glance seem to convey such a belief, e.g., verse 22, speaking of a man as dead, it adds, “But his flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn”; and Isa_66:24, “They shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against. Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched.” Dillman and others regard these texts as proving that the Jews held to the doctrine of physical consciousness in the grave. Delitzsch regards the pain of the soul as merely sentimental, “The process of the corruption of the body casts painful reflections into the departed soul.” Professor Davidson admits thus much to have been the Jewish notion. “There are two ideas expressed—
    (1) That the body in the grave, being that of a still existing person, feels the gnawing and the wasting of corruption, and that the soul in sheol leads a mournful and dreary existence; and
    (2) That these elements of the person, though separated, still belong to the person.” Professor Evans says, “By poetic personification the mouldering flesh is here represented as sharing the aching discontent, the lingering misery of the imprisoned soul.” Similarly Dr. Barnes, “It is by the imagination that pain is here attributed to the dead body.” Professor Lochler inclines to the opinion that the Jews believed “that man carries with him to sheol a certain corporeality (a certain residue, kernel, or some reflex of the earthly body).” These passages, taken in view of the after revelation through Christ, may serve as illustration of how He delivered those “who all their lifetime were in bondage through fear of death,” as well as of the growing dawn light of the historic Scriptures. (Homiletic Monthly.)"

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  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy
    My research has led me to believe the Jews were heavily influenced by the Egyptians, the Babylonians, and Persians. Its also worth mentioning that Christianity was also heavily influenced by all these and one can find some major subjects like resurrection, judging ones heart condition, ones spirit going to heaven and the idea of a paradise all came from the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    So what was in the mind of Jesus when he said to the guy on the next cross "You will be with me in Paradise" ?

    Surely he is referring to a pleasant life in Heaven ? and the listener would have thought of this too.

    The JW's will use this scripture to back up their "earthly hope" idea, but I think it does the opposite.

    Your thoughts ??

  • Magnum
    Magnum

    Interesting topic. Copying and filing away for further analysis.

    Crazyguy - how do you research such? Do you read books? If so, please list some. Do you examine material online? I'm curious and would like to start researching, too.

    Phizzy, that's one of the topics in my notes to be analyzed. What did the guy that Jesus said that to think? What was his mindset? How did he take Jesus' words? I'm wondering just now whether the two executed with Jesus were Jewish or Roman or something else. I've never thought about that before and don't remember whether the Bible gives any indications. I'm curious because knowing that would help to shed some light on how the guy might have taken Jesus' words.

  • I_love_Jeff
    I_love_Jeff

    "So what was in the mind of Jesus when he said to the guy on the next cross "You will be with me in Paradise" ?

    Surely he is referring to a pleasant life in Heaven ? and the listener would have thought of this too.

    The JW's will use this scripture to back up their "earthly hope" idea, but I think it does the opposite.

    Your thoughts ??"

    Paradise, according to what I have read, is one of the compartments (for the righteous-OT) of Sheol.

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