Are you a participant in, or an observer of, humanity?

by AlmostAtheist 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    I was talking with a coworker today about the Iraq war. She is furious about Bush's invasion and occupation of another sovereign nation, and much more so over what she sees as the murders of the civilians involved.

    With the same set of facts available to both of us, I found our dissimilar reactions to it interesting. I am amused by it, and she's outraged.

    We discussed why that might be the case. In the end (and it ended because we both had work to do!) we were bumping against the idea that it is based on the roles we perceive ourselves in. She sees herself as a participant in humanity, and an implicit and unwilling participant in the war. I see myself as an observer, not a participant.

    From her perspective, she ought to be doing something. She ought to be protesting (and at times, she does); she ought to be fighting to stop it.

    From my perspective, it's amusing to see humans -- equipped with brains and bodies designed for simple tool manipulation and hunting/gathering -- attempting to form and maintain enormous societies as if they were "all that".

    On the whole, I see her position as a more responsible -- if futile -- one. She pointed out that if everyone felt as I do, no reform would ever occur. She's entirely right, of course. I'm not sure I can predict what would happen if everyone felt as she does.

    I'm guessing most people view themselves as participants, though they will admit to feeling paralyzed from helplessness and wind up not actually doing anything. So in the end, most people act like observers, even if they claim not to be. (In my opinion)

    What are your thoughts? Where do you fall in the spectrum between observer and participant? And does your role change depending on what's available to participate in/observe?

    And does it matter?

    Dave

  • The wanderer
    The wanderer

    Dear Dave:

    Regarding your question I find myself in the middle
    ground area of participant or observer. If protests
    could be regulated in a peaceful manner without dire
    consequences then I am all for it.

    The fear I have is becoming involved in some radical
    protest and being arrested for expressing my views
    on whatever matter.

    When a question like this is asked, I ask myself
    would things have been different, say, in Germany
    had individuals been more proactive during the
    late 1920's and early 1930's?

    Respectfully,

    The Wanderer

  • Little Drummer Boy
    Little Drummer Boy
    On the whole, I see her position as a more responsible -- if futile -- one. She pointed out that if everyone felt as I do, no reform would ever occur. She's entirely right, of course. I'm not sure I can predict what would happen if everyone felt as she does.

    I would counter her by saying that if everyone felt like you do, there wouldn't be these wars that she is so upset about either.

    I'm kind of like you I guess. I just can't get that worked up about stuff so that I want to get involved. I just don't see how it would make a difference if I did. I feel like we have gotten to the point that the individual really can't affect change. Our government just has so much power (vs. the people they govern) that the scales have tipped too far and will never come back. If you don't have money (and I mean lots of it) or are already connected somehow, how do you make the government change?

    Frankly, I don't care that much anymore. The borg drained me so much that I need...no stike that...I want to be selfish...at least for a while.

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Yes.

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist
    The borg drained me so much that I need...no stike that...I want to be selfish...at least for a while

    Is the observer position a selfish one? It doesn't seem selfish to me, as I take it with the understanding that my participation is unlikely to affect anything. But it might. So I'm unwilling to take the risk. Is that selfish?

    Perhaps.

    Any other thoughts? I thought this one would gain more traction. Hmmmm... observers of observers? ;-)

    Dave

  • Little Drummer Boy
    Little Drummer Boy

    Sorry AA,

    I wondered after I posted if you might take that last part the wrong way. I wasn't trying to say you are being selfish for taking an observer position. Being selfish is the position I'm taking at the moment. I should have been more clear.

    I think what I'm trying to say is that right now I'm at the "I don't care to observe because I'm all worn out" point. If that makes any sense.

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist
    I wasn't trying to say you are being selfish for taking an observer position.

    No offense taken, I'm not trying to judge either position (or any gradient thereof) as good or bad. Just gathering thoughts on the topic.

    Thanks for the clarification though!

    Dave

  • changeling
    changeling

    I'm a jump right in with both feet kinda person who sometimes ends up saying: oops!

    Seriously, some people live life in full color others in black and white and others in shades of gray. Technicolor works best for me.

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    Dave,

    I think your question deserves a lot more than a few sentences on any discussion board, because, IMO, a subject like this is best discussed in person.

    I did participate in a few "causes" before I became a JW. Now, I have become an observer. An observer of those who have chosen to take the lead in events concerning the human race, not for the sake of saving or bettering the human race, but to milk it dry for their own selfish purposes.

    Warlock

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