Insurance coverage for the volunteer workers

by Ancientofdays 5 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Ancientofdays
    Ancientofdays

    Last week in Italy a brothers died in the assembly hall whyle working as a voluntary.

    He was 65 , and was working at six meter from the floor

    Right now I'm having a debate on a local forum with some JWs on the matter of the insurance coverage for the unpaid workers. From what I know WTS doesn't care so much for the bros , and doesn't spend any money i any insurance plan. But the JWs says there'a a worldwide insurance plan called KHAA for protection against loss or incident during the work in the Kingdom hall or assembley hal etc. etc.

    Any of you knows what's the status ? Is there insurance coverage in USA or in your country ? thanks

  • chasson
    chasson

    In France, the government has asked the french's organisation that bethelites has been covered for social security and retirement, but there are still no insurance coverage for benevolent during Kingdow Hall Quick build.

    Bye

    Charles

  • rosa
    rosa

    To whom read in Portuguese:
    http://www.geocities.com/rosazul_documentos/acidente.html

    That's the following regarding accidents in DC's


    4-24 DISTRICT CONVENTION OPERATIONS CO-15/97

    Assistance Arrangement

    It is important that everyone understands the purpose of the Society's assistance arrangement
    for conventions. When accidents occur, worldly persons may view them as an opportunity
    to seek a large settlement from an insurance company. However, the purpose of
    the Society's assistance arrangement is to provide nominal medical expenses to those who
    do not have medical insurance or are unable to pay, rather than encourage individuals to
    sue for large insurance settlements. The Society is absorbing most losses and whatever can
    be done to keep costs to a minimum is appreciated.
    If an accident occurs, it should be determined if the person has other insurance coverage. This
    is important because many persons have personal medical insurance coverage through their
    employer. Inquiry should be made about such coverage, and the person should be encouraged
    to submit medical bills to that coverage first. It can be kindly explained to the individual
    that if his medical costs are not completely paid by his personal coverage, then the
    unpaid balance of the bills can be submitted to the Society for consideration.
    If a person is injured, the convention overseer should immediately assign an elder or two
    from the injured person's congregation to ensure that he is being properly cared for medically.
    If any question arises, the convention overseer should write or telephone the Society
    directly at 25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, NY 11201-2483, Attention: Risk Management
    Department, (718) 625-3600. These steps will help reduce the amount paid by the Society
    for accidents. This will make the Society's assistance arrangement available to help our
    brothers when a genuine need exists.

    Accident Notice Reports and Insurance Claims

    The Society sends two copies of the Accident Notice Report (T-5) to each convention to be
    photocopied as needed. The First Aid Department should inform the convention overseer
    of serious accidents (not chronic or acute illnesses) that could lead to a claim against the
    Society. Small trivial injuries should not be reported on the Accident Notice Report. An
    Accident Notice Report is not to be made out for those who experience fainting spells,
    epileptic attacks, heart attacks, or natural death. Injuries that are borderline, or fall into a gray
    area of potential seriousness, should be reported on the Accident Notice Report. A copy of
    this report is to be given to the first aid overseer for duplication, and he is to obtain for the
    convention overseer all the information requested on the report for each accident to be reported.
    For example, many falls that result in sprains or back injuries (but not broken
    bones) turn out to require extended medical or chiropractic treatment. Thus, any injury,
    however small, should be reported if it could either (1) require extended treatment or
    (2) result in loss of income from secular work. Loss of income is covered only when injuries
    to volunteer workers are involved.

    Accident Notice forms should be filled out in duplicate. After each convention the originals
    should immediately be sent to the Society's Convention Office and the duplicates kept
    by the convention overseer for seven years. If there are no accidents to be reported on the
    Accident Notice Report, the words "No Accidents" should be typed at the top of the report
    and it should be sent to the Society's Convention Office along with the First Aid Log.
    The reports are to be checked and signed by the convention overseer. They are for the use
    of the convention organization only and should not be shown to the injured person, his
    doctor or lawyer, or others. Neither the Convention Committee nor anyone else should
    agree to any settlement or commit themselves in any manner in regard to any accident.

    Accident Investigation and Reporting

    The following paragraphs will explain some of the points needed on the Accident Notice
    Report beginning with section numbers 1 through 7. The first aid overseer is to provide all
    the information requested on the form under each section whether the injured is one of Jehovah's
    Witnesses or just attending the district convention.

    SECTION 1: If the injured is unavailable to answer any questions, complete this section to
    the extent possible and state that the injured was unavailable. After checking all the appropriate
    boxes in this section that apply to the injured, state if the person was a volunteer at
    the convention by inserting the phrase "volunteer worker" to the right of the "Other" box.
    Obtain the injured party's name, address, and telephone number for future reference. Inquire
    if the injured has any type of medical coverage, including Medicare or Medicaid. If
    so, encourage the injured to present his or her medical expenses to that insurance program.

    SECTION 2: Beside the word "Activity," insert the words "District Convention."

    SECTION 3: Ensure that the injured party receives appropriate medical attention as soon as
    possible.

    Any citation for violation of any ordinance or statute would seldom occur in connection with
    an accident at a district convention. However, if it does happen, attach a copy of the citation.
    Although it would seldom occur before or shortly after a convention, if an investigation of
    the scene of the accident is conducted by a third party, provide the information requested
    on the form.

    SECTION 4: Ask the injured party what happened. There should be two brothers present
    to witness and document in writing the questions and answers. The following questions
    should be asked (do not ask any other questions and specifically do not discuss who or what
    may have been at fault, the cause of the accident, or any reference to any legal action):

    1. What were you doing when the accident occurred?
    2. How did the accident happen?
    3. What injury did you suffer?

    This report may be recorded on a separate sheet of paper and attached to the completed
    Accident Notice Report.

    All the facts related to the accident should be provided. Answer all questions and provide
    the requested documentation, such as a diagram and photos, to the extent possible. Do not
    photograph the injured person. In order to take the requested photographs, either borrow a
    35-millimeter flash camera or purchase an inexpensive disposable 35-millimeter flash
    camera. Provide the negative for each picture submitted to the Society.
    Determine what, if anything, could reasonably be done to prevent similar accidents in the
    future. Take appropriate steps and include on the Accident Notice Report a description of
    the corrective action taken.

    SECTION 5: Ask any witnesses to the accident to describe what happened. There should
    be two brothers present to witness and document in writing the questions and answers. The
    following questions should be asked (do not ask any other questions and specifically do
    not discuss who or what may have been at fault, the cause of the accident, or any reference
    to any legal action):

    1. What were you doing when the accident occurred?
    2. Did you see the accident?
    3. According to your understanding, what happened?

    This report may be recorded on a separate sheet of paper and attached to the completed
    Accident Notice Report.

    SECTION 6: This section covers anyone who may have additional helpful information
    relative to the accident.

    SECTION 7: The convention overseen should appoint, if at all possible, two experienced,
    mature elders from the injured person's congregation to follow through to make sure the
    needs of the injured are cared for and communicate with the Society, if necessary, as outlined
    elsewhere in these instructions. List one of the elders as the coordinating elder. They
    should keep in close touch with the injured and his family to assist as outlined above, particularly
    if the injured is one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    Also, the convention overseer should sign on the line designated for his signature and provide
    the date.

    While endeavoring to obtain the required information, it is necessary to show genuine
    Christian love and concern at all times. Do not make any statements of responsibility or liability
    about the cause of the accident to the injured or any other party, including government
    officials.

    At the conclusion of the convention, make a copy of the completed Accident Notice Report
    for the convention and send the original to the Society's Convention Office, 25 Columbia
    Heights, Brooklyn, NY 11201-2483. When any communication, correspondence, or bills
    related to the accident are received, make a copy for the convention files and forward the
    original to the Society's Risk Management Office at the above address.
    Immediately call the Society's Risk Management Office at (718) 625-3600 during working
    hours and notify them of the accident if:

    1. The injured requires medical attention in a hospital setting.
    2. Any threat or notice of legal action is suggested.

    Have the following information on hand when calling the Society: The date of the accident,
    the name of the injured, the name of the congregation, and the name, telephone number,
    and address of the coordinating elder. At that time the Society will provide reminders
    concerning these procedures and will be available to provide answers concerning any
    questions you may have.

  • undercover
    undercover
    When accidents occur, worldly persons may view them as an opportunity to seek a large settlement from an insurance company. However, the purpose of the Society's assistance arrangement is to provide nominal medical expenses to those who do not have medical insurance or are unable to pay, rather than encourage individuals to sue for large insurance settlements. The Society is absorbing most losses and whatever can be done to keep costs to a minimum is appreciated. If an accident occurs, it should be determined if the person has other insurance coverage. This is important because many persons have personal medical insurance coverage through their employer. Inquiry should be made about such coverage, and the person should be encouraged to submit medical bills to that coverage first. It can be kindly explained to the individual that if his medical costs are not completely paid by his personal coverage, then the unpaid balance of the bills can be submitted to the Society for consideration.

    While the information posted applies to District Conventions instead of volunteer work at a building site, I would like to bump this up and see if any insurance or legal experts can give us some insight on this procedure.

    I'm not sure how libel the WTS would be if someone was injured at a District Convention that is held in a muncipal building, like an arena, that is rented for the convention. But if the convention was held in an Assembly Hall and an injury occurs, then I would think that the owner of the property is libel. It's the same for us and our homes. If someone slips and falls off our porch, our home owners insurance covers the hospital expenses. I would think the same would apply to the Assembly Hall and its owners, the WTS. If that is the case, then this procedure outlined above is devious and possibly illegal.

    Expert opinions?

  • rosa
    rosa

    Here in Brazil, when a KH or AssemHall is building, the Building Committee ask for registered volunteer workers - i.e. with Social Insurance National Institute's (INSS, in Brazil) card. If brother isn't registered, he don't work in the bulding.

    when I talked w/ an elder, I asked why? and he replied: "Society is a Organized Society". And I replied too: "Society is too SMART, that's"

    I think that instructions available for DC operations are valid for buildings.

    Brazilian article shows a local situation with a Event Promoter Agency and some injured persons. Court ruled in favor of injured persons. After this, the article comments "if this situation occurrs at WTS event or bulding?"

    http://www.geocities.com/rosazul_documentos/acidente.html

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I notice that they only care about keeping their own costs down. They don't seem to give a ($ about the person that is working and gets hurt. They spend more time seeing if they can get out of paying by making sure that they have other insurance. And they minimize the settlements to just pay the medical bills, not the disability or pain and suffering incurred by the victim. After all, the Craptower Society acts like they are the ones doing the favor by having people slave for them for free.

    This practice of minimizing the settlements needs to stop. After all, the volunteers are not getting paid to do the work. And they lose potential income when they get hurt, since they are usually unable to return to washing windows for a time after a serious incident. Pain and suffering also seem to be disregarded by the Craptower Society since they want everyone to be in pain and suffering of some type all the time. Of course these factors are going to cut the payment, and often the Tower gets away without paying a penny!

    Let's return the favor. When donating, we should boycott putting real money into the donation boxes. This should be organization-wide. A total boycott on donations should put the Tower in a pickle. They are spending that $110 million, but they are not taking in anything. Those Zero Dollar Bills and Void Checks from www.dannyhaszard.com sure come in handy. But I wouldn't worry about them running out of money. It only means they will not be able to blitz Nigeria now, and China and Bangladesh next.

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