Another way to disprove the WTS 607 BCE date

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  • cultswatter
    cultswatter

    Secular history says that Carchemish was destroyed in 605 BCE

    http://www.answers.com/topic/carchemish

    An ancient Hittite and Assyrian city on the Euphrates River in present-day southern Turkey. Nebuchadnezzar II defeated the Egyptians here in 605 B.C.

    In the book "antiquities of the Jews" we see that Carchemish was destroyed in 605 BCE well before the city of Jerusalem was destroyed, so how can the JWs say that Jerusalem was destroyed before Carchemish in 607BCE

    CHAPTER 6.

    HOW NEBUCHADNEZZAR, WHEN HE HAD CONQUERED THE KING OF EGYPT MADE AN EXPEDITION AGAINST THE JEWS, AND SLEW JEHOIAKIM, AND MADE JEHOLACHIN HIS SON KING.

    1. NOW in the fourth year of the reign of Jehoiakim, one whose name was Nebuchadnezzar took the government over the Babylonians, who at the same time went up with a great army to the city Carchemish, which was at Euphrates, upon a resolution he had taken to fight with Neco king of Egypt, under whom all Syria then was. And when Neco understood the intention of the king of Babylon, and that this expedition was made against him, he did not despise his attempt, but made haste with a great band of men to Euphrates to defend himself from Nebuchadnezzar; and when they had joined battle, he was beaten, and lost many ten thousands [of his soldiers] in the battle. So the king of Babylon passed over Euphrates, and took all Syria, as far as Pelusium, excepting Judea. But when Nebuchadnezzar had already reigned four years, which was the eighth of Jehoiakim's government over the Hebrews, the king of Babylon made an expedition with mighty forces against the Jews, and required tribute of Jehoiakim, and threatened upon his refusal to make war against him. He was aftrighted at his threatening, and bought his peace with money, and brought the tribute he was ordered to bring for three years.

    here is the clay tablet(s) that proves Carchemish was destroyed in 605 BCE (Thank you British Museum)

    http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/compass/ixbin/hix.cgi?_IXDB_=compass&_IXSR_=WCIzBEeZ8sJ&_IXSS_=_IXspage%3dsearch_where%26%2524%2b%2528%2528with%2bv2_searchable_index%2529%2band%2b%2528with%2bv2_date_earliest_index%2bto%2b%252231%252f12%252f0605%2bAD%2522%2band%2bwith%2bv2_date_latest_index%2bfrom%2b%25220605%2bBC%2522%2529%2529%2bsort%3d%252e%26_IXNOMATCHES_%3dgraphical%252fno_matches%252ehtml%26_IXsearchterm%3d%257clinkwhere%257c%252d1%257c605%257cBC%257c605%257cAD%26_IXFPFX_%3dgraphical%252ffull%252f%26_IXDB_%3dcompass&_IXFIRST_=173&_IXMAXHITS_=1&_IXSPFX_=graphical/full/&_IXsearchterm=%7clinkwhere%7c%2d1%7c605%7cBC%7c605%7cAD&_IXspage=search_where&submit-button=summary

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    Obverse of tablet
    Cuneiform tablet with part of the Babylonian Chronic... Cuneiform tablet with part of the Nabonidus Chronicl... Brick of Nebuchadnezzar II
    Cylinder of Nebuchadnezzar II Nebuchadnezzar II, King of Babylon (605-562 BC) Neo-Babylonian Dynasty
    Babylon (Iraq)
    Cuneiform tablet with part of the Babylonian Chronicle (605-594 BC)

    Neo-Babylonian, about 550-400 BC
    From Babylon, southern Iraq

    Nebuchadnezzar II's campaigns in the west

    This tablet is one of a series that summarises the principal events of each year from 747 BC to at least 280 BC. Each entry is separated by a horizontal line and begins with a reference to the year of reign of the king in question.

    Following the defeat of the Assyrians (as described in the Chronicle for 616-609 BC), the Egyptians became the greatest threat to the Babylonians. In 605 Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonian crown prince, replaced his father Nabopolassar as commander-in-chief and led the army up the Euphrates to the city of Charchemish. There he defeated the Egyptians. Later that year Nabopolassar died and Nebuchadnezzar returned to Babylon to be crowned. Over the next few years he kept his control over Syria and extended it into Palestine. In 601 BC he marched to Egypt, but withdrew on meeting the Egyptian army. After re-equipping his army, Nebuchadnezzar marched to Syria in 599 BC. He marched westwards again, in December 598 BC, as Jehoiakim, the king of Judah, had ceased to pay tribute. Nebuchadnezzar's army besieged Jerusalem and captured it on 15/16th March 597 BC. The new king of Judah, Jehoiachin, was captured and carried off to Babylon. A series of expeditions to Syria brings this Chronicle to an end in 594 BC.

    Length: 8.25 cm
    Width: 6.19 cm

    ANE 21946 Room 55 , Later Mesopotamia, case 15, no. 24

    J.B. Pritchard, Ancient Near Eastern texts relating to the Old Testament, 3rd ed. (Princeton University Press, 1969), pp. 563-4

    T.C. Mitchell, The Bible in the British Museum: interpreting the evidence (London, The British Museum Press, 1988), pp. 82-3, no. 43

    D.J. Wiseman, Chronicles of Chaldaean kings (626-556 BC) in the British Museum (London, Trustees of the British Museum, 1956), pp. 66-75, plates XIV-XVI

    A.K. Grayson, Babylonian and Assyrian chronicles (Locust Valley, J.J. Augustin, 1975), pp. 99-102

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  • Mad
    Mad

    Clever. But those dates WERE NOT USED by the people in that era; they weren't counting down the years to the birth of Christ!!!!

    Those dates are the opinion of Historians; the only "Absolute" Date of that event is 539 BC- the rest is quesswork.

    Nice try!

    the Mad JW

  • TD
    TD
    .....the only "Absolute" Date of that event is 539 BC- the rest is quesswork.

    If by "Absolute" you mean, "Secularly established" this is incorrect. There are other dates in the period that secular historians agree on.

    But I may be misunderstanding what you mean, since the JW's started using the term, "Pivotal" in lieu of "Absolute" a number of years ago. .

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