KNOCKING.ORG Trailer/ DVD Wreaks of Misrepresentations

by sf 8 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  sf

  Excruciating to my sensibilities.

  That is what it felt like watching this trailer.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj4cS4n9ZkA

  It makes absolutely no sense that jws expend so much energy, in every way, to keep their very ill "loved one" alive (excluding transfusions and organ transplants). Then utter such insanity as "the 'thing' is we have the resurrection to look forward to if it doesn't "go well"".

  If that is true, and you believe it WHOLEHEARTEDLY, why expend all the energy, IN THIS WICKED SYSTEM OF THINGS THAT JEHOVAH GOD IS GOING TO DESTROY...SOON, so that you will inherite a "new system", to keep him alive in such a 'SYSTEM'?

  How do you jws work this out in your heart, soul and mind?

  This DVD is nothing but sheer misrepresentation of how this organization really operates. And WHY it has been ALLOWED to continue on destroying families, fostering hatred and killing its members with manipulated and manufactured doctrine, manifested into RELIGIOUS/CORPORATE POLICY, that KILL ITS MEMBERS. The most innocent of which are the children, who have no clue what the policies truly mean and entail.

  I'm not sure I can or will allow mySELF to sit through this entire dvd. It will be a challenge. That I can tell you.

  sKally
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  needproof

  I also watched this trailer today, I wont be watching the full DVD. Why are they allowed to continue? Because a divided society is easier to control.
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  cabasilas

  Personally, I think Joel Engardio's whole rationale for doing the Knocking film (besides honoring his promise to his Mom that he would not make the JWs look bad) was because he could use it as a way to promote his view that those who hold strong religious beliefs (what he terms "fundamentalists") should not bring them to the public square.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  TheOldHippie

  Uhhhhhhhh! Is fs angry today!
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  johnny cip

  nice find skally; there were a number of misrepresentations in that piece. one was the idea that 10000 jws were in camps in germany. which is false. it was 10000 arrests of jw's many of the same jw's being arrested dozens of times.
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  VanillaMocha73

  I have not seen it and probably won't. But I have to wonder on the organ transplant part - did he mention that just a few years back the patient would have been df'd and called a cannibal for accepting an organ transplant? I believe it was not until the 80s that Jehovah - Oh, I mean the Governing Body, allowed organ transplants.
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  monophonic

  jehovah's witness article on the sf chronicle's website: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/05/14/findrelig.DTL engardio really sugar coats this and it drives me nuts he keeps getting referred to as a journalist....and conveniently forgets to mention that this documentary was watchtower approved, and wouldn't've been made any other way b/c watchtower legal would've been on his ass, and that's why it's the first film of its kind (b/c watchtower is now taking publicity as a real concern in recent years) and no jws would've been able to participate if the watchtower didn't approve or they may have been set up to be disfellowshipped themselves, which is something he glosses over just like the watchtower society wants it..... and how he beefed up the attendance numbers whenever it screened in every city it played, asking jws to go to the film repeatedly to 'get their word out'. so most screenings were filled with all the congregation members around the area wherever it played. brilliant idea, but engardio's a manipulative prick....i guess kind of like a lot of jws. ;) i do agree with his idea of understanding the individuals in the religion, but it's a religion that isn't too keen on individualization. he made $$ off this and is probably set for a while. as the article says, he's openly gay. there's something VERY off about this b/c every JW 'knows' he's going to die at armageddon, but he's a genius for buying into the bullshit to make money and get a rep as a documentary filmmaker....just wish they'd stop calling him a journalist b/c this is a propaganda film, not an objective look at the real issues with jws. engardio sent out letters repeatedly begging witnesses to purchase their own copies even if they'd seen the film and not to make illegal copies of it. if we did a cross reference of who ordered the dvd and went to the screenings, i'll eat my balls if it's not 97% jws (not counting press copies he pushed, etc.) it's good to get in bed w/ the jws, and he's set up financially for sure and now here comes the 'worldly people' buying into it b/c they just think there's a buzz. little do they know they're 'worldly people' and how they're regarded by jws. as far as i'm concerned, don't even give him bad publicity or write letters to pbs, etc. they consider negative letters as interest....the best thing that can happen is to let this film quietly disappear. i'm pitching some essays dealing with real issues of shunning, etc. in the hopes of getting them published in nytimes or somewhere similar. and, the jws have been playing the nazi concentration camp card for years. i personally have panic attacks b/c of all the horrid, graphic experiences we were subjected to when i was a kid in the 70's and 80's by the survivors. yes, the horror of the nazis was unforgivable, but age appropriate content can also be abuse. if an intelligent five year old was subject to watching pornography by someone, that person could be charged. i was subject to constant violent images and feared for my life of being tarred and feathered (the only elementary school kid who knew what that term meant), b/c we were pretty much told it was going to happen any moment in the usa and we were going to be asked to sign our allegiance against jehovah or be violently killed. so, any film about jws in nazi germany just makes me ill b/c they used the experience as scare tactics to keep the drones close.
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  sf

  No more discussion?

  sKally
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  Kenneson

  If you live in this area of Florida, you were able to watch it only on Georgia PBS on Wed. nite at midnight or Fri. morning at 1 a.m. Somehow I don't feel that much of the public was up at that time to watch it.

  I did stay up to watch it on Fri. morning because I missed the Wed. showing. Except for making JWs feel good, I doubt that they won many converts through it. It was mainly about the lives of 2 Witness families (one involving Seth Thomas who needed a liver transplant but some hospitals refused to operate because they would not do it without approval of blood transfusions; he finally found a hospital that did bloodless surgery and he survived. The other was about a Jewish survivor of the holocaust, who had observed the Bible Students in the concentration camp and when he got out later became JW himself. He married and had a daughter; when his wife died, the daughter, I think, went to live with another family member and was raised Jewish. He remarried a JW. After years, father and second wife were reunited with daughter and family during this documentary. It showed the tensions between the Father and the rest of the family who felt he had turned his back on the Jews by becoming JW. Nevertheless, they were willing to give him a chance to explain his position by speaking to the class of one of the daughter's children. They also toured together the concentration camp that he had been imprisoned. Nothing was ever said, however, about the conciliation made between German Witnesses who adopted a Declaration on June 25, 1933 and sent it to all high government officials. No matter, in July 1933 the courts refused to grant a hearing for relief. So, it is not until 1934 that Witnesses begin a mounted opposition to Hitler and the Nazis. Moreover, there were not 10,000 Witnesses put in jail. The Proclaimers book, page 720 says there were actually 6,262 arrests.

  At any rate, over all, it was interesting, although a lot was left out including the pedophile issue and people shunned by the Witnesses and how they felt about it.