Reflecting on the Chain of Abuse.

by Nosferatu 5 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu

    As I was doing dishes, I was thinking about the child abuse chain that runs through my family. Well, at least on my mother's side. I got to thinking about my grandfather who sexually abused my mother, and what kind of a man he was.

    I only met the old bastard once in my life when I was around seven years old. Just for the record, he only molested his daughters, but left his son alone. Anyway, I remember a little bit of his visit. But before then, he used to send me $100 a year. I never saw that money, and I have no clue what my parents did with it. But they got me excited about grampa visiting, because he apparently had money. My parents had many times before talked me into writing him a letter and asking for money. Now that I think about it, how strange!

    Anyway, Grampa pedophile comes to visit and doesn't spend jack on me. My mother ordered him to take me shopping in the airport terminal, and she ordered me to bug him to buy me something. I got him to buy me a stuffed kitty. He himmed and hawed about it, but broke down. I told her how reluctant he was to buy it for me, and she was pissed off about that. A few years later, he sent each of his kids $5k. My mother let my father have it, and he blew it on crap.

    My mother was by no means quiet about what he did to her and her sisters. About a year before Grampa pedophile died, he wrote a letter to each of the kids he abused, and apologized for it, and said how rotten he was as a father. I read the letter, and he apparently had also abused children in the school that he worked as a janitor.

    His death was a mysterious one. He was in the hospital with parkinsons disease, but apparently died from falling out of bed. What the hell kind of way is that to die? One of my aunts said "someone must have pushed the old bastard out of bed."

    My mother went to the funeral along with only one of her sisters, and her brother. I think she pretty much went for the sole purpose of seeing her family. One sister refused to attend the funeral. Nobody had any kind words to say about him. They pretty much kicked his ass into the ground and fucked off.

    Fortunately, I didn't have sexual abuse passed down from either of my parents, but my mother carried on her mother's tradition of beating the shit out of her kids (me and my brother). The Watchtower only added fuel to the fire with their "use the rod" belief. Also, the elder I approached to ask for help didn't help me, but told me how wonderfully spiritual my mother was. So much for congregational love. I had nobody on my side, so I kept all my problems inside.

    Now, here I am years later. My parents are more stupid than ever, and my dad is in the hole with credit card debts up to his freakin' ears. My mother is thinking of selling the house to pay off his gambling debts, which leaves me with nothing for an inheritance. I've been trying to change this, and get my mother to reconsider the plan for the house, and sign it over to me when my father cacks (if he cacks first).

    However, tonight after doing some thinking, I can't help but wonder if I'm doing the same thing that she did to her father. Is the pattern repeating itself there too? Also, I have a child on the way, and I've made a solem oath to myself not to carry on the physical abuse. However, I believe I should be aware of how my parents treated me with regard to my grandfather, and prevent myself from using my child to get money out of grandma and grandpa.

    Just some stuff I've been thinking about. Comments?

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Ya know Ben Our lives are a lot alike.

    My family has a very long tradition of beating the crap out of the kids. No one had any money so that was never an issue.

    My children never met my father. One year for some insane reason I called him and told him I was in town and did he want to see his grandchildren

    Nope click

    I have no idea why I would have done such an irresponsible thing so it is just as well he said no.

    In some ways my mother did a better job than her mother. And I know I tried hard to do better than my mother - but believe me I still made a ocean full of mistakes.

    And now I listen to my daughter when she is tired and fed up and she sounds just like I used to sound sometimes. But she is doing a better job. As a JW I used to spank the girls - only on the bottom. After I left the JWs I stopped hitting them

    My daughter doesn't spank at all so there is huge improvement.

    My suggestion: Get a good book about how to discipline children in a way that is not abusive. It is easy to say I will never do that to my kids but we need something healthy to replace those beatings.

  • Scully
    Scully

    I think you're in a great position to do all of this reflective and introspective work, Nos.

    We have come a long way, as a society, in terms of understanding the ramifications of abuse in the long term, and the fact that you are aware of this and want to break the cycle and are making a conscious choice to do so is totally to your credit.

    I can't help but wonder if I'm doing the same thing that she did to her father. Is the pattern repeating itself there too?

    Did your mother seem to feel that her father "owed" her for what he did to her? Did your grandfather seem to view her indirect requests for money and gifts as "payback" or "hush money"? Do you know if there was a pattern like that going on when the abuse was happening (like he'd buy her gifts whenever he molested her, to keep her quiet)?

    My mother is thinking of selling the house to pay off his gambling debts, which leaves me with nothing for an inheritance. I've been trying to change this, and get my mother to reconsider the plan for the house, and sign it over to me when my father cacks (if he cacks first).

    You've mentioned this before... the house is the only security your parents have - maybe there's a way they can get a second mortgage on the house to cover the debts, without having to sell it? The problem with that is that your dad sounds like he might just take that money and gamble with it some more and things will be even worse than they are now.

    I don't know what your relationship is with your brother, but maybe between the two of you, your mom could be convinced that it is in her best interests to keep the house, and let your dad deal with his gambling debt on his own. The "problem" is his, and selling the house to cover his losses is only enabling the behaviour and reinforcing it. Maybe she could do with some counselling with Gamblers Anonymous (or a similar group for people living with a gambling addict). This is not about your inheritance, because even if your dad "cacks" first, you can't be sure that your dad's "creditors" (Vinnie the Legitimate Businessman) won't still try to collect... your mom could still lose the house in the end. She needs to find out how to protect her interest in the house, and maintain a level of security.

    Personally, I am not counting on an inheritance from my folks. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if I've been disowned, even to the point of being disinherited, with my parents donating their assets to the WTS. It's easier for me to have no expectations in that regard and plan my future accordingly. If I'm wrong and I do end up with an inheritance, it will be a pleasant surprise, because it's something that I am not counting on having.

    As far as the kind of parent you're going to be, I think you've already made a huge step in the right direction, in terms of recognizing the patterns in your own childhood that you don't want to repeat, and the kind of experience you don't want your child to have. There's bound to be some parenting courses available (you can call your local public health department and see if they have parenting classes), and there are a ton of books on the market to learn how to find the parenting style that works for you and Mrs. Nos.

    Good luck!

  • cognizant dissident
    cognizant dissident

    Hi Nos:

    My stepfather molested me when I was 12 and 13. He was abusive and violent towards my mother also. She told me she stayed with him for the money, because she couldn't support herself on her own. Yet she had a very well paying job and blew all her money irresponsibly. She used to encourage me to sit on his knee and flirt with him and ask him for money and ask him to buy me things. This is the only way my mother knew how to relate to men. She was also physically abused as a child, she says not sexually, but I have my doubts about this. She taught me this behaviour and for a few years in my late teens and early twenties this is how I viewed men also. They wanted sex and in return you take em for everything you can get. I believe this pattern gets repeated in many abusive families down through the generations.

    However, you can make a conscious decision to break the cycle. You have already done this by vowing to never physically abuse your children as was done to you. I did the same thing when I was pregnant with my son. In many ways I was a better parent than mine were to me. But that was only a first step and I didn't go far enough. It's not enough to just say you will not be abusive. There are warped thinking patterns and mindsets that go along with abuse and get passed down in families as well. This is what you have witnessed with your mother's attitude about taking your grandfather for his money. (Not that I have any sympathy for the guy or his money. I think molesters should have to pay financially for what they did) But not if taking the money means buying silence or keeping the person in your life when it's not a safe thing to do.

    Like Lady Lee, I made many mistakes as a parent, verbally and emotionally, sometimes being abusive, because I hadn't gone deeper and addressed the abusive mindset that was passed down to me by my parents. I was still hating myself and abusing myself in my own mind and I passed down a lot of negative and perfectionist traits to my son that I now deeply regret. I wished I had gone for counselling when I was younger and before I had my child and the damage was done. Well better late than never. I have much greater understanding now of the total mind/body effects of abuse than I did then. I am honest with my son about my mistakes and apologize for them and try to heal any damage done. I am rewarded by a close bond with him that I never shared with my parents.

    You sound like you are on the right path Nos. Explore it even further, with people who are truly knowledgeable about such issues. Don't stop learning about the effects of abuse on how you parent. Parenting will trigger issues for you that you didn't even know you had. At least it did for me. Lady Lee is a valuable resource on this subject. Of all the posters on this forum, she knows her stuff when it comes to this subject.

    Hope my experience is helpful

    Cog

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Lecturer: Clergy sex-abuse needs to be addressed
    Kalamazoo Gazette, MI - 12 minutes ago
    ... Jewish congregations, Jehovah Witnesses groups and many mainline Protestant churches continue to report sex-abuse allegations involving young people, Dorris ...

    Lecturer: Clergy sex-abuse needs to be addressed

    Saturday, June 17, 2006 By Chris Meehan [email protected] 269-388-8412 The Roman Catholic bishops in America are saying -- but not necessarily doing -- all of the right things in trying to address the clergy sex-abuse scandal that has rocked their denomination in recent years. That was the message that Barbara Dorris, a national leader of Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, brought to a group of psychologists meeting Friday in Portage. ``With the bishops you see many promises, policies and procedures, but we aren't seeing action to match the words. The behavior isn't changing,'' said Dorris, who serves as victims-outreach director for SNAP. `They are doing the bare minimum and only when forced to do that,'' she said. ``The bishops seem to still believe their priests are more important than the children.'' In an interview before her remarks at the Beacon Club, Dorris said priests are still being accused in different dioceses of sex abuse that allegedly took place after the abuse scandal erupted in Boston in 2002. But clergy abuse is not limited to the Catholic Church, she said. Jewish congregations, Jehovah Witnesses groups and many mainline Protestant churches continue to report sex-abuse allegations involving young people, Dorris said. ``People don't understand the damage that happens to children. The confusion and shame they feel is very tragic,'' she said. Making a terrible situation worse, she said, is that when the abuser is a clergy person, a young victim often thinks God is somehow involved. ``They find themselves losing their religion at the time they need it most,'' she said. [email protected] reporter 269-388-8412 http://www.mlive.com/contactus/ contact page

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    My children never met my father

    Nor have mine. I told them they can, when they're grown (I know where he lives) but they've shown little or no interest.

    Nos, this is an interesting thread. Just thinking along these lines is a good sign for you. Instead of reacting, you're thinking. I agree with LL's idea of researching how to raise/discipline children. As a children, we know we lack some needed parenting skills. It's one thing to say "I won't hit my children" but it's another to know what to do in a given situation.

    I'd also encourage you to look around at your friends and family. For those who have children, are there habits, behaviors that you like or would like to copy? Part of recovery is the idea of taking what you need and leaving the rest. Look around and see what you like about others' parenting and take it in for yourself.

    It's also helpful to look back and your own childhood and find if there is anything useful there. As a father, what did you like your parents doing in certain situations (such as when you misbehaved, with homework, bullies, etc.) and then what did you NOT like? Sometimes if there's nothing you like, you can flip the situation to the opposite side; do the opposite of what your parents did or would do in that situation.

    If I could give one hint, I would strongly encourage you to leave the room (or send the child to their room) when you feel yourself losing your temper. Kids get on your nerves (sometimes hourly) and as patient as you can be, you will lose it sooner or later. With your background, it would be very easy to lapse back to what you experienced in a moment of anger. So when you feel it building, leave, get out until you calm down.

    Personally, I am not counting on an inheritance from my folks

    Nor did we, but it still hurt getting nothing. Nina's father blew threw $300,000 and when he killed himself left us with $45,000 in medical bills.

    Ah well, maybe in the next life . . . . . .

    Chris

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