1999 new light on voting?

by under_believer 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • under_believer
    under_believer

    So it was just brought to my attention that the Nov 1, 1999 Watchtower, while still strongly discouraging voting, says:

    *** w99 11/1 p. 28 Questions From Readers ***

    As to whether they will personally vote for someone running in an election, each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses makes a decision based on his Bible-trained conscience and an understanding of his responsibility to God and to the State.

    Does this mean that voting is no longer a disfellowshipping offense (and hasn't been since 1999?) Has anybody had any practical experience with any Witnesses they know voting, the elders knowing about it, and them not being punished or sanctioned in any way?

  • blondie
    blondie

    Some countries require its citizens to vote; the US is not one of those, but I understand Australia is.

    This is just window dressing for legal purposes. In countries where voting is required, JWs can go in and vote, supposedly for some nonsense like "God's Kingdom" or "Jesus Christ" obviously a write-in vote. JWs would not be DF'd for voting.

    But in countries where voting is not mandatory, I think a JW would be investigated judicially by the elder body, and possibly DF'd if they did not admit to the offense and repent.

    Blondie

  • misspeaches
    misspeaches


    Its funny because when this 'new light' was revealed it was also strongly emphasised how much of a conscience matter this was. How you could potentially stumble someone if they were to see you enter a polling place. Like Blondie said

    This is just window dressing for legal purposes

    In Australia it is compulsary to vote. If you do not you are sent a letter by the Electoral Commission and you have the choice of either paying the fine or writing back a letter outlining your reasons for not voting. Edited to Add: It was a real pain in the bum!!!

  • geevee
    geevee

    I think that it is still mentioned in the elders almanac that voting is a compromise of one's neutrality. Didn't stop us though.

  • thecarpenter
    thecarpenter

    I spoke to one of the elders in my congregation about this very subject a few months ago. My question was, in a country where voting is not mandatory, if my conscience allows me to vote for a presidential candidate because I feel that this candidates policies are best for my employment future, would I be disciplined by the congregation? He referred to the Nov 1st 1999 article but he couldn't give me a solid answer as to whether I would be disciplined (he mentioned he hasn't seen any further society direction in this matter such as a letter to all bodies of elders). He said follow my conscience but tell no one if I vote or not. Essentially he didn't know how the other elders or CO would perceive this direction or how they would act.

    Questions From Readers (Nov 1 1999 p28)

    How do Jehovah’s Witnesses view voting?

    There are clear principles set out in the Bible that enable servants of God to take a proper view of this matter. However, there appears to be no principle against the practice of voting itself. For example, there is no reason why a board of directors should not take a vote in order to arrive at decisions affecting their corporation. Congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses often make decisions about meeting times and the use of congregation funds by voting with a show of hands.

    What, though, of voting in political elections? Of course, in some democratic lands, as many as 50 percent of the population do not turn out to vote on election day. As for Jehovah’s Witnesses, they do not interfere with the right of others to vote; neither do they in any way campaign against political elections. They respect and cooperate with the authorities who are duly elected in such elections. (Romans 13:1-7) As to whether they will personally vote for someone running in an election, each one of Jehovah’s Witnesses makes a decision based on his Bible-trained conscience and an understanding of his responsibility to God and to the State. (Matthew 22:21; 1 Peter 3:16) In making this personal decision, the Witnesses consider a number of factors.

    First, Jesus Christ said of his followers: "They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world." (John 17:14) Jehovah’s Witnesses take this principle seriously. Being "no part of the world," they are neutral in the political affairs of the world.—John 18:36.

    Second, the apostle Paul referred to himself as an "ambassador" representing Christ to the people of his day. (Ephesians 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:20) Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ Jesus is now the enthroned King of God’s heavenly Kingdom, and they, like ambassadors, must announce this to the nations. (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 11:15) Ambassadors are expected to be neutral and not to interfere in the internal affairs of the countries to which they are sent. As representatives of God’s heavenly Kingdom, Jehovah’s Witnesses feel a similar obligation not to interfere in the politics of the countries where they reside.

    A third factor to consider is that those who have a part in voting a person into office may become responsible for what he does. (Compare 1 Timothy 5:22, The New English Bible.) Christians have to consider carefully whether they want to shoulder that responsibility.

    Fourth, Jehovah’s Witnesses greatly value their Christian unity. (Colossians 3:14) When religions get involved in politics, the result is often division among their members. In imitation of Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses avoid becoming involved in politics and thus maintain their Christian unity.—Matthew 12:25; John 6:15; 18:36, 37.

    Fifth and finally, their keeping out of politics gives Jehovah’s Witnesses freeness of speech to approach people of all political persuasions with the important message of the Kingdom.—Hebrews 10:35.

    In view of the Scriptural principles outlined above, in many lands Jehovah’s Witnesses make a personal decision not to vote in political elections, and their freedom to make that decision is supported by the law of the land. What, though, if the law requires citizens to vote? In such a case, each Witness is responsible to make a conscientious, Bible-based decision about how to handle the situation. If someone decides to go to the polling booth, that is his decision. What he does in the polling booth is between him and his Creator.

    The November 15, 1950, issue of TheWatchtower, on pages 445 and 446, said: "Where Caesar makes it compulsory for citizens to vote . . . [Witnesses] can go to the polls and enter the voting booths. It is here that they are called upon to mark the ballot or write in what they stand for. The voters do what they will with their ballots. So here in the presence of God is where his witnesses must act in harmony with his commandments and in accordance with their faith. It is not our responsibility to instruct them what to do with the ballot."

    What if a Christian woman’s unbelieving husband insists that she present herself to vote? Well, she is subject to her husband, just as Christians are subject to the superior authorities. (Ephesians 5:22; 1 Peter 2:13-17) If she obeys her husband and goes to the polling booth, that is her personal decision. No one should criticize her.—Compare Romans 14:4.

    What of a country where voting is not mandated by law but feelings run high against those who do not go to the voting booth—perhaps they are exposed to physical danger? Or what if individuals, while not legally obliged to vote, are severely penalized in some way if they do not go to the polling booth? In these and similar situations, a Christian has to make his own decision. "Each one will carry his own load."—Galatians 6:5.

    There may be people who are stumbled when they observe that during an election in their country, some Witnesses of Jehovah go to the polling booth and others do not. They may say, ‘Jehovah’s Witnesses are not consistent.’ People should recognize, though, that in matters of individual conscience such as this, each Christian has to make his own decision before Jehovah God.—Romans 14:12.

    Whatever personal decisions Jehovah’s Witnesses make in the face of different situations, they take care to preserve their Christian neutrality and freeness of speech. In all things, they rely on Jehovah God to strengthen them, give them wisdom, and help them avoid compromising their faith in any way. Thus they show confidence in the words of the psalmist: "You are my crag and my stronghold; and for the sake of your name you will lead me and conduct me."—Psalm 31:3.

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered

    Greetings UB

    Back in 1999 when Watchtower attempted to surreptiously sneak such a change in one of their illicit fundamental teachings, the fallout must have been heavy. Why I say that is because, I remember after that article was published, the next circuit overseers visit dealt with the article.

    I remember him excoriating the congregation (at the edict of Watchtower HQ no doubt) that JW's don't vote. They remain neutral in the US. Blah Blah Blah... Long story short was, at the end of his scolding it still was not clear in the minds of any, as to whether dubs can or cannot vote. I said screw them, registered and voted.

    Dismembereed

  • Honesty
    Honesty
    I said screw them, registered and voted. Dismembereed

    Same here.

    It's so good to be Free from the traditions of men.

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    I wonder how registering to vote practically differs from obtaining a government ID card in Malawi in the 1970s.

  • blondie
    blondie

    During that time, JW men had to register for the draft...good question.

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    km 12/70 p. 3 Announcements ***

    Pioneers registered with the draft, if they have not already done so, might do well to file with their local boards in support of their claim for exemption and ministerial classification allowed by the draft law and regulations, a photostatic copy of their pioneer appointment letter and, when they qualify therefor, a copy of Certificate for Pioneer Minister provided by the Society.

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    km 3/04 p. 3 Announcements ***

    U.S. Selective Service regulations require that all men register at the post office within 30 days after reaching 18 years of age. A male noncitizen under the age of 26 who takes up residency in the United States must also register with Selective Service within 30 days of becoming a resident. All of those required to do so should comply with this law, viewing it as a Christian’s obligation to the superior authorities. From the time he registers until the year he turns 26, a brother must notify Selective Service of any change of address within ten days of the change. Elders should be aware of young brothers nearing the age of 18 and new alien residents between the ages of 18 and 26 and remind them of their duty to register with the Selective Service System.

  • under_believer
    under_believer

    I recently registered to vote in my home county. I am fading but still very "in," and I was hoping it would serve as a little personal secret disobedience, to bostler my resolve.
    Now I'm finding out I won't even get in trouble for it! Damn it. :) Thanks all for your input, you are all a cornucopia of wisdom, and I appreciate you very much.

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