mindset is the same as hellfire doctrine...

by Richie 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • Richie
    Richie

    Just an observation; when a witness decides to write the Congregation that he or she does not want to be associated anymore for personal reasons, why is it that this person must be disfellowshipped?
    Or why is it that if someone makes an issue about a wrong in the congregation such as pedophilia, and this witness decides to officially warn the elders about this wrongdoing or suggest to contact the police, that this person must be disfellowshipped?
    Get my drift???
    Is it any different then that you can make a comparison such as this:
    If one believes in the doctrine of hellfire meaning that when you sin you will be punished by everlasting torture, that this would in principle be similar to the decision to disfellowship someone for the above reasons!!!.....
    I cannot see any difference in mentality; i.e. the absurdity of both is markedly similar showing the exact same mindset...
    This was another reason why I could not conscientiously remain with the organization; I knew that their policies were designed to keep you strangled in their fold making it extremely difficult to tear away from their tentacles of fear and guilt...
    What a waste of human thinking...

    :*) Richie

    You are the music as long as the music last...............

  • wokeup
    wokeup

    You know the mindset,Incest,Rape,Murder, they're weaknesses of the "flesh" you can say you're sorry and be forgivin. To openly disagree with doctrine,thats unforgivable, you're a disease a virus to the "body" to be destroyed, you see, you don't forgive a disease ;)

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello Richie,

    an interesting post. Just to refresh you memory,

    on the WTS reasons for their " actions" take a look at these:

    *w april 1,1986 page 31 - Dissident views -

    *awake january 8, 1994 page 23 - Lovers od Freedom -

    *w january 15, 1983 page 27 - indipendent thinking -

    and just compare with :

    *awake august 22, 1984 p.28 - Organisation's scrutiny -

    *awake november 8, 1983 page 4,5 -Catholic Intolerance -

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • Richie
    Richie

    The pillars of human society are based on individual freedom; not to do bad but to move forward, to do good and search out what is best for mankind emotionally, socially and spiritually...the Beroeans were the ones who were critical in a positive sense by dissecting the Scriptures to make sure that these things were so (they did so without an organization prodding them...)

    :*)

    You are the music as long as the music last...............

  • blondie
    blondie

    During the 1981 apostasy scare in the WTS, the following appeared in the WT regarding the Beroeans:

    February 15, 1981 pages 18-19
    Do We Need Help to Understand the Bible?

    [q]A NOBLE-MINDED VIEW
    How shall we view the spiritual food provided by this “faithful and discreet slave”? Should it be viewed critically—‘Oh, well, it might be true but then again it might not be and so we have to scrutinize it very critically’? Some apparently have felt that way about it. To support their way of thinking they have quoted Acts 17:11, which says of newly interested persons at Beroea: “Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.”

    But does this mean that those Beroeans were looking for flaws in the message they were hearing, or that their attitude was one of doubting? Does this set a precedent for regarding critically the publications brought forth by the “faithful and discreet slave,” with a view to finding fault? Not at all!

    First of all, let us note the setting of the statement about the noble-minded Beroeans. Paul, accompanied by Silas, was on his second missionary tour. Due to persecution that arose, the brothers at Thessalonica sent them on to Beroea. In Beroea they met sincere Jews who had strong faith in God’s Word. These were not Christians yet. They were simply interested persons who had to satisfy themselves that what Paul was telling them had the support of the Hebrew Scriptures.

    Up to this time, these devout Jews in Beroea may never have heard of Jesus Christ. What Paul was telling them was entirely new. So those noble-minded Jews in Beroea searched the Scriptures daily to make certain that the references that Paul gave were really part of God’s Word. And with what mental attitude did they pursue their studies? With a skeptical attitude, trying to prove Paul wrong? No, they were altogether unlike Paul’s critics on Mars Hill, for we read that they heard Paul’s testimony with “the greatest eagerness of mind.”—Acts 17:11, 32.
    These Beroeans listened with a readiness, yes, an eagerness, to believe. Thus not only were they open-minded, but they were wanting to have this “good news” proved true. In fact, for a person to acquire faith he must have “the will to believe.” If he is determined not to believe, then no amount of evidence will convince him; for if a person looks for them he can always find excuses, plausible reasons for not accepting the accountability that belief will bring upon him. As the apostle Paul well said: “Faith is not a possession of all people.” (2 Thess. 3:2) But the Beroeans had the will to believe. They considered what they heard with a receptive frame of mind. As a result, “many of them became believers, and so did not a few of the reputable Greek women and of the men.”—Acts 17:12.

    Jesus’ disciples wrote many letters to Christian congregations, to persons who were already in “the way of the truth.” (2 Pet. 2:2) But nowhere do we read that those brothers first, in a skeptical frame of mind, checked the Scriptures to make certain that those letters had Scriptural backing, that the writers really knew what they were talking about.[/q]

  • Richie
    Richie

    Thank you Blondie for the article on how the Beroeans viewed the study of the Scriptures; this is exactly the point I was trying to make: we should always search (not in a critical sense to find fault) but rather to make sure that what the Bible has to say on matters directly and indirectly, that these matters merit our utmost consideration... Yet the Society does not allow us to individually examine the Scriptures whether these things are so as they claim...
    It must only come from the Society first and then one can "study" it in accordance with their line of thinking..., that way the WT is able to control your scope of inquisitiveness that one doesn't go "out of line" with the accepted mode......

    You are the music as long as the music last...............

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