March 15, 2006 - Imbecility Perfected

by daniel-p 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    "Choosing a type of work that promotes what is directly condemned in the Bible is definitey wrong. So true Christians do not accept jobs that may involve idolatry, stealing, [etc]...." - g06 3/15 p.24 pa.11
    THEN,
    "What if the work itself does not specifically violate any divine requirement? As we grow in the truth and our own perceptive powers improve, we come to discern other criteria that must be considered. What if the work would involve us in an unscriptual practice, such as answering phones at a gambling establishment? [...] would a Christian who is a self-employed contractor bid on a job that involves painting one of the churches of Christendom and thereby share in helping to promote false religion?" - g06 3/15 p.24 pa.12
    THEN,
    "The Outcome - Always Good? [...] Will Decisions that are solidly grounded on Bible principles and made conscientiously always lead to a good outcome? Yes, in the long run. At times, though, the short-term effect may bring adversity. [...] Moreover, 'time and unforeseen occurrence' may adversely affect the result of any decision." - g06 3/15 p.31 pa.17
    MY COMMENTS:
    I love it whenever they talk about 'time and unforeseen occurrence.' Can it adversely affect the result of a spirit-directed decision? Aparently so....

    Here's a pic I whipped up in Photoshop for you all:
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  • merfi
    merfi

    Hmm, I'm a lab tech, so I guess I'm in deep trouble. I've done many many crossmatches in the past 15+ years...

    Remarkably, I haven't been approached about my choice of career, despite it being primarily about blood. And actually, the blood issue was what started me questioning things about 6 or so years ago. I found the ajwrb (?? or something like that) site and spent hours on it. That, combined with what I already knew and know about blood components made me write up a notarized card that I carried alongside my blood card (which was for show, you know how when ya show pix of your kids out in service... there's that blood card...). The notarized card said something to the effect of negating the blood card. I have a copy in my chart at the doc's office, as well. BUT -- moot point as my blood card went into the shredder today. Yesss...

    Ramble ramble. :)

  • Scully
    Scully
    I love it whenever they talk about 'time and unforeseen occurrence.' Can it adversely affect the result of a spirit-directed decision?

    Never mind about Time and Unforeseen Occurrence... what about time and foreseen occurrence? Like growing up, needing an education in order to support a family, provide for routine and expected medical and dental expenses, growing old, having failing health, needing a pension plan and retirement savings?

    Oh yeah, I forgot, the old geezers in the Ivory Towers never had to worry about the same stuff as the rest of us. After all, they are living off our hard earned contributions and donations.

  • blondie
    blondie

    As far as lab technicians, the WTS did consider this a "conscience" matter in 1975 and in 1999; not that individual JWs, including elders, couldn't take it upon themselves to "influence" your conscience.

    *** w99 4/15 p. 29 Questions From Readers ***

    Some Christians working in hospitals have had to consider this factor of authority. A physician might have authority to order medications for or medical procedures on a patient. Even if a patient did not mind, how could a Christian doctor in authority order a blood transfusion or perform an abortion, knowing what the Bible says on such matters? In contrast, a nurse employed at the hospital might not have such authority. As she performs routine services, a doctor might direct her to perform a blood test for some purpose or to care for a patient who came for an abortion. In line with the example recorded at 2 Kings 5:17-19, she might conclude that since she is not the one with authority who orders a transfusion or performs an abortion, she could carry out human services for a patient. Of course, she still would have to consider her conscience, so as ‘to behave before God with a clear conscience.’—Acts 23:1.
    They tend to use the "stumbling someone" escape clause. Blondie
  • Scully
    Scully
    As far as lab technicians, the WTS did consider this a "conscience" matter in 1975 and in 1999; not that individual JWs, including elders, couldn't take it upon themselves to "influence" your conscience.

    That's exactly what happened to me in the early 80's. Over a six-week internship for a haematology course in the last year of my Lab Tech studies. Because it was at the Red Cross, I was "influenced" by being told that I would be disfellowshipped if I went through with it. "Coerced" is the word that fits better, though.

  • Madame Quixote
    Madame Quixote

    Merfi - Welcome to the boards and congratulations on getting your blood card shredded. It ought to be called the blood of the lambs card, for all the people who die as a result of refusing blood transfusions.

  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    What I thought was interesting was how the WT mentions how certian things are conscience matters, then right after that states that answering phone calls at a casino would be unscriptual. Excuse me? In the past they have stated that doing temporary work on a church or casino would be a conscience matter, but now they say its not, all while admiting how the Bible does not talk about it.
    How is doing some construction work on a church different than delivering mail? You are performing a service that every one gets and has a right to within a specific system. Otherwise I think it would be called religious bigotry and prejudice. I guess that's nothng new....

  • merfi
    merfi

    Scully that is so not fair. Bastards.

    I'm sitting here in my hematology department tonight. Thinkin of ya!

  • Mary
    Mary
    would a Christian who is a self-employed contractor bid on a job that involves painting one of the churches of Christendom and thereby share in helping to promote false religion?"

    What utter nonsense! Then why does the Organization sell old Kingdumb Halls to "churches of Christendom"??? I dare say, that does alot more to "promote false religion" than painting their buildings.

    Does ANYONE in the Writing Department have a brain cell that's still working??!!

  • minimus
    minimus

    The Society has more rules than the Talmud! You must consult with them before you wipe yourself----according to them. The truth is---if it benefits THEM, they'll excuse it (UN library card, interfaith programs, etc. If YOU violate the "spirit" of their laws, you will be punished.

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