Watchtower Prophesy Guide: Armagedon by 2000AD

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  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    "Year 2000" and "20th Century" Quotations
    from The Watchtower Society’s CD-ROM

    Following are Watchtower Bible & Tract Society predictions of Armageddon in the 20 th century as found through a word search of the WTS’s CD-ROM.

    The society also quoted many secular sources that emphasized crisis in the 20 th century.

    Such secular crisis-quotes would have reinforced in JW minds the prophecies of the world ending in the 20 th century.

    The following is a list of such secular quotes plus a few more of the WTS’s own comments.

    Awake!

    g70 4/22 30 Watching the World
    According to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, room must be found for about 100,000,000 more Americans by the year 2000. The paper says: "In light of already severe environmental problems, such figures have prompted some scientists to circle a date on the calendar for an Armageddon sometime in the middle or latter years of this decade."

    g72 6/22 29 Watching the World
    Dr. Martin, in his book Three Popes and the Cardinal, concludes: "Well before the year 2000, there will no longer be a religious institution recognizable as the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church of today."

    g72 7/22 10 Will the "Green Revolution" Be Enough?
    … the New York Times says: "Unless the rate is reduced significantly India will have a billion people by the year 2000, far outstripping any increase in food output."

    g74 11/22 30How Serious Are Shortages?
    And a government official estimates that this deficit will reach 31 billion dollars by 1985, and 64 billion by the year 2000.

    g75 11/22 30 Watching the World
    Wood scarcity also has necessitated greater use of dried cattle dung for fuel—diverting much-needed nutrients from the soil — at a rate of 300 million tons per year in India. "Even if we somehow grow enough food for our people in the year 2000," worries one Indian official, "how in the world will they cook it?"

    g76 11/22 14 Habitat Conference-A Hope for Mankind?
    By the year 2000, if present trends continue, there will actually be more city dwellers than rural in a world population of between six and seven billion. This startling change in human habitat gives rise to many gigantic problems.

    g79 10/22 14 World Population — Is It a Problem?
    By the year 2000, a population of between six and eight billion is expected at present increase rates. The year 2000 is not so far away, is it?

    g79 11/22 21 Amazonia-Center of Controversy
    Reports about the possibility of the vast Amazon region being transformed into a "red desert" by the year 2000 have alarmed scientists, the common man and the Brazilian government.

    g80 11/22 23 What’s Wrong with Nuclear Power?
    Another deterrent to the growth of nuclear power is the fact that the supply of uranium is not unlimited. If the projected doubling of present capacity by 1985 is realized, the U.S. will be running short before the year 2000.

    g80 2/22 16 Are Christendom’s Churches Losing Their Grip?
    Pope John Paul II recently raised these questions: "What is the destiny Our Lord has in store for his Church in the coming years? What direction will Mankind take while nearing the year 2000? These are burning questions and the only answer is: ‘God knows.’"

    g80 6/8 7 The Unthinkable — Could it Happen?
    For several days in May 1978, 30 scientists, military men and government advisers from 10 nations met in closed sessions in Toronto, Canada, to consider seriously the theme "The Danger of Nuclear War by the Year 2000."

    g80 6/22 8 "I Am Putting You in Charge"
    Amazon are now being exploited, and, if this continues, hundreds of thousands of species of plants and animals will be lost by the year 2000.

    g82 12/8 3-4 The Fight Against Sickness
    In 1981 former UN secretary-general Kurt Waldheim warned that the present 400 million disabled people in the world could rise to 500 million by the year 2000.

    g83 2/22 29 Watching the World
    Today six countries, the United States, the U.S.S.R., France, Britain, China and India, have produced nuclear weapons. But by the year 2000 that number could grow to 31, claim U.S. military analysts in a special report to The New York Times.

    g83 4/8 3 How Can You Tell?
    "If things go on as they are, by the year 2000 the world will be…"
    PREDICTIONS of this sort have now become commonplace.

    g83 8/8 3 Our "Jewel in Space"— Is it in Trouble?
    FAMINE… Yes, starvation and malnutrition lead to death for millions each year. And the demand for food worldwide is expected to double by the year 2000, less than 17 years from now!

    g84 9/22 29 Watching the World
    In 1977 a special United Nations conference mandated a program to halt the spread of deserts by the year 2000. But after six years, little progress has been made.

    g85 3/8 5 ‘Signs From Heaven’ — Cause tor Gloom?
    "Terribly effective weaponry could well be deployed in space by the year 2000, weaponry that can attack both satellites and space stations as well as targets here on Earth."

    g85 3/22 26 When Money Talks
    By the year 1930, however, drastic changes could be seen in my purchasing power. My value had eroded to exactly half of what it was in 1908. As a one-dollar bill, I was now worth 50 cents. The inflation that concerned me and the deflation of my value that worried you was by now on an unstoppable course… And by the year 2000, I am expected to shrivel to a mere four pennies.

    g86 3/22 11-12 The Marching Deserts — Will They Really Blossom as the Rose?
    In 1980 UNEP estimated that it would cost about 90 billion dollars (U.S.) over 20 years, or about 4.5 billion dollars per year, to stop the spread of deserts by the year 2000. How serious do the experts consider this marching world of sand to be? "If the present march of desertification continues," said a representative of UNEP "by the year 2000 the situation will have become a global catastrophe."

    g86 11/8 4 Hopes and Fears of Today’s Youth
    Will the year 2000 dawn bright or dismal? Branch offices of the Watch Tower Society around the world conducted interviews with youths.

    g86 10/8 31 Watching the World
    If this trend continues, an estimated 10 to 20 percent of earth’s plant and animal life could be wiped out by the year 2000 unless deforestation can be stopped and reversed.

    g86 11/8 7-8 A Sure Hope for the Present Generation
    Samuel, a l5-year-old youth from the same country [France], also believes in a complete change: "For the year 2000, I visualize a world transformed into a beautiful paradise! But I don’t think that either the present world or its rulers will live to see that day... We are living in the last days of the system of things." Ruth, a German girl of 16, also expresses her confidence in these changes: "I know I’m not smart enough to change the world and make things run right. Only Jehovah, our Creator, can and will do that soon."

    But why are the last youngsters interviewed so sure of beneficial changes in the near future? Simply because they have come to know about God’s promises through his Word, the Bible. As Jehovah’s Witnesses they are confident of something better — a world of justice and peace where according to God’s promise, even illness and death will be no more.—2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:3, 4.

    A close examination of Bible prophecies showed these young Witnesses that we are now living in a privileged period of history, for the time has come for God to intervene in human affairs and rid the entire earth of unrighteousness. The Scriptures call this short period preceding God’s intervention the "time of the end" and specify that it will not last longer than a "generation." It would also be distinguished by wars, earthquakes, epidemics, fear, and rising insecurity — all of which have marked the world since 1914. Since the "generation" of 1914 is now well advanced in years, God’s promise is really up-to-date news for young people today.

    g86 11/22 10 Warning! This Water May Be Hazardous to Your Health
    Already the world shudders in fear of the coming explosion. For example, it has been estimated that by the year 2000 a fourth of the world’s water supply could be unsafe for drinking.

    g87 3/8 5 Why Can’t Africa Feed Itself?
    Some estimate the present population [of Africa] to be 553 million. By the year 2000, according to current trends, there could be an additional 324 million mouths to feed!

    g87 5/8 4 Health for All — A Basic Need
    WHO’s regional office for Europe has foreseen not health by the year 2000 but a possible crisis by then.

    g87 7/22 7 An Earth Without Forests — Is That What the Future Holds?
    By the year 2000, according to some experts, about 12 percent of the tropical rain forest that remained in 1980 will be gone — no small accomplishment for man, even with his reputation for destruction.

    g88 10/8 5 AIDS Carriers-How Many Could Die?
    An article in Politiken of Denmark said: "Uganda’s chief AIDS official states, ‘Unless something changes, every second adult in this country will be HIV-positive in the year 2000.’"

    g88 1/18 8 The Reason for the Cult
    As has been said, according to the pope’s intentions, the revival of the figure of Mary will help to prepare for the year 2000. In the face of the fears and the anxieties caused by the "symptoms of malaise that pervade this generation," the pope has placed his trust in the "Madonna" so that she may intercede with God and solve the world’s problems.

    g89 7/22 29 Watching the World
    Studies predict that "by the year 2000, water, not oil, will be the dominant resource issue of the Middle East."

    g89 9/2228 Watching the World
    The World Health Organization has predicted that AIDS cases worldwide will jump tenfold by the year 2000, raising the total to 5,000,000 from the present 450,000.

    g90 2/8 20 No Money for the Blind
    But WHO predicts gloomily that, at the present rate, the world will have 84 million blind and partially blind persons by the year 2000.

    g90 2/22 28 Watching the World
    By the year 2000, AIDS may kill six million people.

    g90 9/22 4 The Garbage Glut — Will It Bury Us?
    It is estimated that by the year 2000, this garbage pile will "tower half again as high as the Statue of Liberty and fill more cubic feet than the largest Great Pyramid of Egypt."

    g91 1/22 29 Watching the World
    In its first report on the impact of AIDS on children, the World Health Organization said that the virus is striking many more children than had been previously thought and that some ten million children would probably be infected with it by the year 2000. "The vast majority of these will have developed AIDS and died by the year 2000," said Dr. Michael Merson, director of the agency’s global AIDS program.

    g91 6/826 A visit to the Great Barrier Reef
    Some take the alarming view that the entire Barrier Reef is at risk, and they issue warnings such as ‘No Reef by the Year 2000.’

    g92 6/8 7 The Bitter Price of Gambling
    In the United States, for example, women now represent about 30 percent of the total number of compulsive gamblers, but it is estimated that by the year 2000, this will have risen to 50 percent.

    g93 3/22 3-4 Why So Many False Alarms?
    THE story is told of a boy who…cried out, "Wolf! Wolf!" when there was no wolf…

    So it has become with those who proclaim the end of the world. Down through the centuries since Jesus’ day, so many unfulfilled predictions have been made that many no longer take them seriously…

    Undeterred by previous failures, some seem to have been spurred on by the approach of the year 2000 and have made further predictions of the end of the world…

    The flood of false alarms is unfortunate. They are like the wolf-wolf cries of the shepherd boy — people soon dismiss them, and when the true warning comes, it too is ignored.

    g93 4/22 24 Where Have All the Quaggas Gone?
    Chilling predictions indicate that by the year 2000, as much as 15 to 20 percent of all living species on earth may be extinct.

    g93 5/22 18 Why Do I Have to Suffer With a Disability?
    Statistics show that by the year 2000, the number of young people with disabilities will reach about 59 million worldwide.


    The Watchtower

    w73 11/1 646 The Best Time to Be Alive
    And now, particularly, many serious students of government and of world conditions — statesmen, scientists and others are saying that mankind will not even be able to survive to the year 2000 C.E. They base their outlook, not on the Bible, but on the hard facts of today and upon the now irreversible trend of things that involve all of us. The Bible tells of these hard times that we are experiencing as a sign of the nearness of the end of this system.—2 Tim. 3:1-5.

    w76 5/15 300 Insight on the News
    "A Query into the Quarter Century" is the title of a message issued recently by twenty experts from various fields who met under the sponsorship of the Charles F Kettering Foundation and the Wright-Ingraham Institute. They concluded:

    "Famine, social unrest and possible political chaos may not be far away… By the year 2000 the problems in food production, storage, transportation and distribution will make today’s problems appear as child’s play."

    w78 10/1 16 "Keep on the Watch"
    That day of Jehovah’s "burning anger" is drawing perilously close. Jesus’ own great prophecy concerning the conclusion of the system of things" has now had its remarkable fulfillment in our 20th century since 1914. We clearly see militaristic elements of that "disgusting thing," the UN organization, poised to wreak havoc on the realm of Christendom.

    w79 10/15 12-13 Sustained by the Millennial Hope
    In foretelling events, the "things happening" in our 20th century, Jesus Christ compared them to the fig tree when "its young branch grows tender and puts forth its leaves" — a proof that summer is at hand. (Mark 13:28, 29) This corresponds with Jesus’ coming to execute judgment.

    w80 2/1 26 Serve the "King of the Nations" and Survive
    Does all that ancient history have any relation to our 20th century? Yes! …
    Today that which was foreshadowed by Jerusalem of King Zedekiah’s day is nearing its destruction, according to the judicial decision of Jehovah, the "King of the nations." (Jer. 10:7) How fitting it is, then, that there should be on earth at this critical time a class of worshipers of Jehovah God who were prefigured by the prophet-priest Jeremiah!

    w80 4/1 19-20 Creation’s Hope — Awaiting Its Realization
    Today, after all the wars and other catastrophes besides sickness and natural death, there are more than 4,200 million of us alive, and it is predicted that by the year 2000 C.E. there will be 6,000 million humans on earth.

    w80 10/15 10 Insight on the News
    A special 800-page document titled "Global 2000 Report to the President" from the U.S. State Department and Council on Environmental Quality…warns that there is "potential for global problems of alarming proportions by the year 2000." The New York Times states that, according to the report, "time is running out for international action to prevent a starving, overcrowded, polluted, resource-poor world."

    w80 10/15 31 Questions from Readers
    It is the generation of people who saw the catastrophic events that broke forth in connection with World War 1 from 1914 onwards… And if the wicked system of the world survived until the turn of the century, which is highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, there would still be survivors of the World War I generation.

    w83 2/15 3 Are Our limes Really Different?
    France’s scientific monthly Science et vie (Science and Life) had this to say on the subject of population growth and the expansion of deserts: "The world population will increase from four to six billion by the year 2000, whereas arable ground will possibly be reduced by 30 percent over the same period, due to overcropping and urbanization. The simultaneous character of these two tendencies is preparing the way for an explosive situation."

    w84 11/15 3 Our Age of Despair
    Even if nuclear annihilation could be averted, human existence is being imperiled by the sheer mass of mankind. "Global population grows inexorably and at a rate so prodigious that by the year 2000 — only 16 years from now — the world, with its added billions, will be unable to provide adequate food and energy, let alone jobs, housing, education and health care," reports Parade magazine.

    w87 7/1 10 ‘No Peace for the Wicked Ones’
    In a recent survey 40 percent of the adults interviewed felt that there was a "high chance" of nuclear war before the year 2000.—See Luke 21:26.

    w92 10/1 16-17 The Messiah’s Presence and His Rule
    When Jesus’ disciples asked him: "What will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?" Jesus responded by giving them a detailed description of that future time. (Matthew, chapter 24; Mark, chapter 13; Luke, chapter 21; see also 2 Timothy 3:1-5; Revelation, chapter 6.) This sign amounts to a detailed portrait of a troubled era… Every passing day confirms that the 20th century perfectly fits Jesus’ description.

    w94 4/15 10 Helpful Teaching for Our Critical Times
    The events of this 20 th century overwhelmingly prove that we are now living in the conclusion of this present wicked system.


    Books

    The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah—How? 1971 72
    What did he [Ezekiel] as a "sign" or "portent" for the future indicate that Jehovah’s remnant of anointed witnesses would do in this twentieth century?

    God’s Kingdom Of A thousand Years Has Approached 1973 14
    For one thing, the end of six thousand years of human existence on earth and the beginning of mankind’s seventh millennium of existence may come many years sooner than the year 2000 C.E. It is well that this is so. Today, with the world of mankind in such a deplorable condition and being threatened with destruction from so many angles, there are many students and investigators of these threats to human existence who express substantial doubts that mankind will be able to survive till the year 2000 C.E.

    Let Your Kingdom Come 1981 11
    ...now in our 20th century, we have come to the time for harvest — "a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels"!

    Mankind’s Search For God 1990 373
    A situation approaching global ruin has existed only in the 20th century. All the more reason, then, to believe that soon Jehovah will take action to protect his property, his creation.

    B J Kotwall Investigator 68, 1999 September.

  • Spectre
    Spectre

    My mom used to love all those "the world will fall apart by 2000" articles. Sadly, she didn't last to the year 2000.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    great research thankyou

  • kittyeatzjdubs
    kittyeatzjdubs

    now they never said the world was gonna end in 2000!!!! that was just them evil apostates readin' into things too much.

    luv, jojo

  • serendipity
    serendipity

    My whole JW family thought Armageddon HAD to happen before 2000, and lived their lives in a short-sighted manner. In 1993 when I turned 30, it dawned on me that I might actually have to worry about retirement so I started to save furiously. By the time the WTS announced the change in the meaning of 'generation' the rest of my relatives got on the IRA and retirement savings bandwagon, and seldom mentioned Armageddon coming again. Now they say "I hope it comes soon."

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    But they aren't false prophets.

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    My sleepy home town Adelaide, is more than just where Rupert Murdock tested his newspaper skill. Mark Twain's "City of Churches is also the home of Investigator magazine. Here is another article from that fine publication. Emphasis in bold & red are mine. unclebruce.

    DECEIT ON THE INTERNET
    BY THIEVES OF GOD’S NAME

    The Watchtower Society — the legal corporation of Jehovah’s Witnesses — has launched a second web site for the benefit of the media.

    A page titled Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Year 2000 says in part:

    Jehovah’s Witnesses do not point to the year 2000 as the specific year in which God will act…
    Many associate the fulfillment of Bible prophecies with the year 2000…
    Others fear a cataclysm — end of the world. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not share these dramatic hopes and fears for the coming year.

    This is superficially correct but deceitful — an example of WTS doubletalk. How so?

    Investigator No. 51 had an article titled Armageddon By 2000 AD Says Jehovah. Yes, Armageddon By 2000 AD.

    The WTS prediction, taught since 1946, is that Armageddon would occur by 2000 AD but not necessarily in the “specific year” of 2000 AD. But now that 2000 AD is here, it means Armageddon should occur this year. Not mentioning these points makes the Internet page misleading.

    The Investigator No. 51 article gave some WTS quotes regarding Armageddon in the 20th century. For example:

    Shortly within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom. The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah—How? 1971 p. 216

    The article also showed that the JW leaders claim to get all their “interpretation” from “Jehovah God”. For example:

    Jehovah God is therefore the only Supreme Court of interpretation of His inspired word… He merely uses the “servant” class to publish the interpretation after the Supreme Court by Christ Jesus reveals it.
    The Watchtower 1943 pp. 202, 203

    The Investigator 51 article went on:

    …it follows that if Armageddon by 2000 AD fails to occur the “Jehovah” of the JWs will be exposed as a liar. (p. 45)

    The article concluded:

    JW prophecies are known to have failed for many other dates. These include 1878, 1881, 1906/1907, 1912, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1924, 1925, 1928, 1930s, 1935/1936, 1942, 1940s, 1970s.
    Generalizing from this trend of failure the prophecy of “within our twentieth century” should prove to be false. (p. 45)

    Since 2000 AD is the final year of the 20th century and since the WTS web site denies Armageddon will occur in 2000 AD, we seem to have an indirect acknowledgment that their “twentieth century” prophecy is false.

    Therefore it follows that the “Jehovah” of the JWs — but not necessarily the “Jehovah” of the Bible — is a liar. “Jehovah” is in effect therefore a collective term for the men who invent the JW doctrines.

    The JW book Paradise Restored to Mankind By Theocracy (1972) says that prophets who dream up false dreams and preach them in God’s name are thieves:

    Since the commandment against thievery was given over God’s name Jehovah, the thieving person is disregarding God’s name and assailing it as being of no force or importance… They [false prophets] put on an appearance of being a prophet by saying, as if under inspiration: “An utterance!” Then they really steal the name of Jehovah by attaching it to their own “utterance” to which it does not belong.
    They dream up false dreams for the future so as to influence the people against Jehovah’s true mouthpieces. Because of their false dreams and their boasting regarding the future, they cause the people to go astray religiously and spiritually and leave them unprepared for the real things to come. Jehovah did not send them or command them, for which reason they have no right to steal God’s name from its rightful place and use it for their deceptive purposes. Such thieves benefit no one. (pp. 211 – 213)

    The prophecies of JWs involve numerous prophetic dates and all have turned out false. Since the interpretations are attributed to “Jehovah”, the “Jehovah” of the JWs is a liar and is merely a collective term for the JW leaders who invent the doctrines.

    As judged from words in their own book such leaders are “thieving persons” who “steal the name of Jehovah…for their deceptive purposes.”

    Investigator 70, January 2000

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    Good work UB!

    Also from The Nations shall know that I am Jehovah - How?

    *** kj chap. 12 p. 216 "Until He Comes Who Has the Legal Right" ***

    9 Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom.

  • ringo5
    ringo5

    Good thread unc.

    The Paradise Restored has a lot more quotable quotes similar to the one in that article...

    *** pm chap. 20 pp. 353-355 A “Third Part” Preserved in a Purged Land ***

    RELIGIOUS HYPOCRISY EXPOSED

    22 Jehovah, the God of the true prophets, will put all false prophets to shame either by not fulfilling the false prediction of such self-assuming prophets or by having His own prophecies fulfilled in a way opposite to that predicted by the false prophets. False prophets will try to hide their reason for feeling shame by denying who they really are. They will try to avoid being killed or being pronounced spiritually dead by Jehovah’s loyal worshipers. He foretold this by having his true prophet Zechariah continue on to say:

    23 “And it must occur in that day that the prophets will become ashamed, each one of his vision when he prophesies; and they will not wear an official garment of hair for the purpose of deceiving. And he will certainly say, ‘I am no prophet. I am a man cultivating the soil, because an earthling man himself acquired me from my youth on.’ And one must say to him, ‘What are these wounds on your person between your hands?’ And he will have to say, ‘Those with which I was struck in the house of my intense lovers.’”—Zechariah 13:4-6, NW; JB; NE; NAB; contrast Amos 7:14-17.



    Compare pg 23 to this passage:

    *** g93 3/22 p. 4 Why So Many False Alarms? ***

    Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.’ The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said: “We have not the gift of prophecy.”
  • Clam
    Clam

    Who can blame Jehovah's people for their enthusiasm and impatience to see the end of this system of things? Just keep selling those magazines.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    The sad failure must scratch at the back of the minds of active witnesses. Just yesterday I saw a local pioneer sister and her mother [I think] at a local fast food restuarant. She did not acknowledge me. [Big surprise here.] I was sitting in a position that let me see their table. I sensed a deeply embedded sense of emptiness in their faces. Never saw a smile. The only conversation I heard was a mention of a 'wonderful illustration' a brother had made in a talk or something. Even that evoked no smile or real enjoyment. They truly looked like robots, going thru the motions of life. I was saddened and wanted to go over and tell them what I knew, but of course knew that to be out of the question.

    As a side note - when leaving the parking lot I saw they were in seperate cars. The young pioneer sister had moved here from her home maybe 8 or 10 years back - to serve where suggested by the CO. She is about 30 now I think. And when I rolled by her car, I see that her licence plate is the same as Mom's. Same county. Meaning that most likely she is still requiring Mom and Dad to support her by providing a car!!! In this state you cannot register the car in a county that you do not live in - so it means that it is registered in the home county of the parents and therefore must be in thier name.

    SAD! A Whole life is fleeting by without living it.

    Jeff

  • Mary
    Mary
    Samuel, a l5-year-old youth from the same country [France], also believes in a complete change: "For the year 2000, I visualize a world transformed into a beautiful paradise! But I don’t think that either the present world or its rulers will live to see that day... We are living in the last days of the system of things."

    Gee, I wonder if Samuel ever paid into a pension plan ...and do they not realize how utterly stupid that is, quoting a 15 year old boy [assuming Samuel is real and not a fictional character] and then putting his 'predictions' down as though they were fact??

    23 “And it must occur in that day that the prophets will become ashamed, each one of his vision when he prophesies; and they will not wear an official garment of hair for the purpose of deceiving. And he will certainly say, ‘I am no prophet. I am a man cultivating the soil, because an earthling man himself acquired me from my youth on.’
    Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.’ The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said: “We have not the gift of prophecy.”

    Excellent comparison Ringo! Somehow, I never saw that scripture before but it fits the GB to a T.

  • amused
    amused

    My mom passed away last year. She was 91 years old and had been an active witness since the late 1940's. She remained faithful to the end but it was a great disappointment to her that she did not live to see armageddon.

  • TopHat
    TopHat

    The way I see it: The Watchtower org. is a dying religion or cult. The GB can get away with murder because they have total control over the brainwashed sheep that are left. The smart ones are leaving. Soon the money will dry up and without money, there can be no WT organization.

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    G'day amused welcome to JWD,

    How often were we induced to repeat the mantra: “This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.” (Luke 21:32)

    S ince Armageddon by 2000 AD failed to occur the “Jehovah” of the JWs is exposed as a liar. So we add 2000AD to the long list of failed JW prophesies: 1878, 1881, 1906/1907, 1912, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1924, 1925, 1928, 1930s, 1935/1936, 1942,1940s, 1970s, 1984?

    Watchtower apologists Note: The 20th century ended December 31 2000AD. The JW Leaders speaking for "Jehovah" repeatedly staked Jehovah's credibility on Armageddon occuring by that date

    ===

    Interesting TopHat but is the money drying up?

    They have now taken control over billions of dollars worth of real estate world wide, have further billions invested in the stockmarket and have started having old members write wills handing over half their accumulated wealth upon death. Know anyone in Watchtower Accounts? I'd like to see the books

  • TopHat
    TopHat
    They have now taken control over billions of dollars worth of real estate world wide, have further billions invested in the stockmarket and have started having old members write wills handing over half their accumulated wealth upon death. Know anyone in Watchtower Accounts? I'd like to see the books

    Well, It takes millions maybe billions yearly for the up-keep of real estate properties on a world wide scale. They will soon have to sell their equities in the stock market just to pay for it all. As for the wills...maybe some under the control of the Elders will hand over their estates (which can't be much) Not to many weathy JWs. Window washers and such ya know!

  • slugga
    slugga
    Well, It takes millions maybe billions yearly for the up-keep of real estate properties on a world wide scale.

    Local congregations are responsable for the up keep of their own halls. The WTBTS doesn't pay a penny towards this.

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    Believe me tophat the east river will dry up long before the societies funds will.

    As for wills my in-laws are a case in point. They were poor English migrants but managed to pay off a house in an outer Adelaide suburb. As per recent WTS guidelines they are leaving the society half (for the worldwide witnessing work). Even so the WBTS stands to gain about $70,000US from that book entry alone. Multipled by a few hundred thou or more and we're talking a good long term income steam.

    I don't think we should mistake recent changes to anything more than a 'responsible business plan'. Did you know the WTBS made it onto the top ten business list for Manhattan NY?

  • JAVA
    JAVA

    The Watchtower Society is nothing without followers believing "The End Is Near!" The Tower has played that tune too many times, and it's starting to show in various ways. The Internet is a force that won't allow the Tower to hide their many failures and cover-ups. I'm a born-again believer about "The End Is Near"--the end of the Watchtower Society as we now know it!

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce
    The Watchtower Society is nothing without followers believing "The End Is Near!"


    G'day JAVA,

    Are you sure about that? A friend who has been in big business recently put it to me that the WBTS could easily survive without any members at all and may in fact be better off diversifying itself into other industries (I kid you not). With the massive assetts they have invested elsewhere and their power gradually slipping to outside lawyers.. who knows.

    I agree with your joy in seeing the internets effect on slowing the beast down...its our best hope of one day seeing the tower in its death throes as a force for evil.

    cheers, unc === EDIT:

    I'm a born-again believer about "The End Is Near"--the end of the Watchtower Society as we now know it!

    Just noticed the "as we know it!" cheers

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