Elder school in Pittsburg PA early 70's

by james_woods 9 Replies latest jw friends

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Have been gone from the board for a month or so, but I have read with great interest some of the stories about very recent "Elder" schools from actual attendees. I thought some might like to know about my experience in one of these in the very early 70's. I was pioneering where the need was great (Clinton, Okla.) and was made Assistant Cong. Servent because we were sort of in-between special pioneers at the time. Anyway at 20yrs old I got the invite to go to one of these "schools". Some may not know that early on, many of these 2 week sessions were held at a sort of "super kingdom hall" (it had a real auditorium, library, and a big basement with a commercial style kitchen and dining room) in Pittsburg, Penn. I think the story was that they had not yet bought the Squibb buildings and were short of space at real Bethel. We roomed with local JW families as 1 or 2 per home and showed up during the day for classes. They had bethel boys to cook and clean at the hall except weekends when we were expected to volunteer and cook for ourselves.

    The two instructors were a guy named (M.something?) Davis and the eventual GB member Shroeder. It has been way too long to remember the actual content of the class, but it sounds an awful lot just like what a recent Elder wrote up for us last month. I can remember a few REALLY silly things that happened, however...

    * First, this Davis fellow talked and acted very much like the notorious actor Paul Lynde who used to be center box on the Hollywood squares. Very full of himself and sort of (you-know-maybe a little light in the loafers...). At least the sessions he did relieved the boredom because of his silly antics. The main thing I remember was how much utter contempt he had for the ordinary rank and file. He ranted and raved about how "phony" and "worldly" witness families were who actually had real jobs, houses, etc. Made a big deal about how these people had the husband with some big huge Cadillac and his trophy wife had her little "SPORT JITNEY" (yes he actually used words like that all the time), with a big house and a pool. Little did he know (I hoped) that my dad had a caddy, my mom had a pontiac GP, and I was driving a new 1969 Porsche 911. And we had a pool, too - they used to do the batism there.

    * Shroeder (maybe I am spelling it wrong) was another case entirely. He seemed to take great pride in the ability to remember page and paragraph on practically every publication for the past 15 years and would quote them without using an index to wow us...don't remember him quoting the actual bible that much however. He had a car and a private apartment there, I saw him drive up in a big Buick Electry 225 and asked him about it. He said "well, the society has a few cars for general use of any bethel members who needed one". He also had a little kid named Benjamin about 10 or 11 as I recall and was grooming him to also be a walking Watchtower index.

    * My big bug (at the time) was that I could not get a handle on why they had crammed the Jehovah name everywhere through the New Testament. I had had to try and explain this to a college professor back in Clinton-Weatherford and he pretty much reamed me good and proper. So I go ask the mighty Shroeder and got told essentially to mind my own business because the translation committee knew exactly what they were doing. Also got told that doing outside research on my own was bad news and reading older literature could spoil your faith;. Further got told that they had to purge the Society Library from time to time of "UNHEALTHY" reference materials... once a bethel guy got started reading some of these and he went crazy and left bethel and had to be DFd. YIKES!!

    * One Saturday we had a little witness bus tour of the area (we paid 5$ or so each). Here we got to see some of the old halls where Russel used to preach (they were now some other church) and the actual grave of Russell and the weird pyramid. Got a serious lecture back at school about not being stumbled by the pyramid or any other "old light" because now the FDS has the "new light" - BUT, Shroeder did tacitly admit that Russell had some nutty ideas on CHRONOLOGY!!! Then in defiance of his policy of no outside research made us go to the University of Pittsburgh as a special project and look up various (pre-selected) newspaper microfilm about Russell.

    * Also remember that as I was only 20 I could not go drinking at night after class with all the 3 other elders in my carpool so they would go into a tavern and leave me to freeze my azz off in the car for an hour or two every night. But, I was allowed to rent the car and drive them all home and around. My host family dad would give me beers when I got home though and the dad was a computer scientist with a big car and big house. I don't think he made very much FS time and did not see him going to many meetings either. He-He...

    OK, too long already but thought I would put down some of the crazy history of this little back-water school...

    James over and out.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Interesting stuff.

    While in the Oklahoma assignment did you ever meet any 'Pendley's' at the halls you attended?

    Linc[oln] Pendley and his brother whose name escapes me now were witnesses in the OKC area circa 1980 when I was there. Linc owned a auto-aftermarket company [without naming any company by name here].

    Just wondered.

    Jeff

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    I really don't remember this name, but FYI, I had pretty much quit going in 1979 and finally wrote special committee a real hellraiser of a letter in 1980 which got me DFed in 1981. We were going to Yukon KH in 1977-1979 which is about 15 mi west of OKC. The very last meeting I was at was a circuit convention in the basement of the municipal auditorium in OKC. I walked in early on a Sat. morning only to smell those nasty hamburgers frying and to listen to some really classy ranting on APOSTACY, so I pulled a 180 and burned some rubber out of that parking lot. Now living in Dallas, but I still see a few people there in OCK and will ask around. You would really be surprised how many still attending JW there are in this area who know in their hearts they have been LIED TO and are still hanging because of friends and relatives.

    James

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    You would really be surprised how many still attending JW there are in this area who know in their hearts they have been LIED TO and are still hanging because of friends and relatives.

    James

    You know that is an interesting observation. If the society ever loosens it's policies again regarding associating with those who have left - it would be interesting to see how many would file out who know it is a lie, wouldn't it?

    Jeff

  • minimus
    minimus

    Thanks. That was quite interesting!

  • HappyDad
    HappyDad


    Hi James,

    I'm from the Pittsburgh area and your post brought back some memories. The Kingdom Hall you are refering to was the Central Congregation in the Oakland area of Pittsburgh. It was on Bigelow Blvd. if memory serves me correct.

    I was baptized in that KH in 1970. Since I was a JW newbie, I don't remember anything about the "higher ups" (elder school) school back then. But I do remember Schroeder. He was originally from the Pittsburgh area and all the elderly JW's I was associated with were constantly talking about him being sooooooooooooooooo high in the 'borg. JW's have no one to look up to as a role model so they grab anything they can. I'm not sure when he was appointed to the governing body but I know he had a lot of influence around here.

    I think that KH was sold in the late 1980's or early 1990's when the quick builds were being pushed.

    What sticks in my memory bank the most is...........everyone........especially the elders I dealt with (when I was an elder in the 1980's) from Central, thought they were a rung or two higher than anyone else in the area. And there was something like 30,000 plus JW's in the general Pittsburgh area in the 1970 - 1990 era!

    If you remember anything else about the area back then.......feel free to rummage in my mind. Maybe I can think of some other things about that era.

    HappyDad

  • SadElder
    SadElder


    Originally these schools were only for what was then called the Congregation Servant. They were held at Watchtower Farm, I think...The class ran for a full month, so those who quit their jobs or endured some other alleged hardship in order to attend the school were held in estimable honor before all the other slackers in attendance who might be wealthy enough to pay their own way. Later Assistant Congregation Servants were invited to the two week schools. After the elders arrangement went in effect, similar two week schools were held throughout the country. The schools were long on intimidation and some who were then elders came away from the school no longer serving as one. There were a number of pompous twits that I remember who were instructors, most old time CO's or DO's. One was Bruce Giffin a really rude man who didn't have much use for people.

    The Davis you mention was most likely Randall Davis. He really thought a lot of himself in those days. Last I heard he left Bethel,but I don't know for certain.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Are you the James Woods from the Arlington area, whose family is in the insurance biz?

  • misspeaches
    misspeaches

    wow really interesting insight. Thanks for taking the time to write it all down and share with us. This sort of stuff really interests me!

  • blindersoff
    blindersoff

    Thanks for the memories. I went to the same school in '73. 1400 Bigelow Blvd.

    I got to stay at the bldg the full time as they had 2 brothers stay there. I forget why.

    I still have the class picture that I was so proud of for so long as I was standing right beside A. Shroeder. Judah Ben was a kid & they lived there. I was always so impressed with Albert as he came up to our room one night about 9:00 to discuss a question I had that day.

    Kept my notes for many years. I was so enthralled as I listened to him explain how the heart is not just a pump, but has much to do with personality. The only other thing I remember from the school is that Willie Stargells wife was a JW in Pittsburgh.

    Now, I can't believe I wasted my whole 2 week vacation on that. 2 WEEKS

    B

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