Jeremiah Book Jer. 23:6

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  • Legacy
    Legacy

    Hi All,

    Being a witness, I know or hope I know..Jesus is God's son & the King...this scripture, kind of puzzles me. Jesus came through the line of David. God didn't come through the line of David...so if a student says...I thought Jesus was King...with this scripture in mind..what can I say ?

    Look! There are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will certainly reign and act with discretion and execute justice and righteousness in the land. 6 In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel itself will reside in security. And this is his name with which he will be called, Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.”

    Can anyone shed some light on this..I have my meeting on Wednesday night...this is a stumbler for me.

    Be Well,

    Legacy

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Legacy:

    I'll post some comments from some commentaries in a while.

    For the time being though, the prophecy is Messianic. Of course, the Messiah's name turned out to be "Jesus," although nobody knew that when Jeremiah was written. The name "Jehovah is our righteousness" is a play on Zedekiah's name, that is, in effect, a repudiation of Zedekiah and other miserable kings of Israel and Judah who were anything but "righteous." It promises that a "righteous branch (or sprout)" would eventually come from David's lineage whose rule would fit the prophetic name.

    Incidentally, it has been found that Phoenicians used the term "righteous branch" to refer to the rightful heir to the throne.

    Take Care

  • sarahsmile
    sarahsmile

    You could say that Mary and Joseph came from the line of David.

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    To add to the above, Jesus is pronounced Joshua or Jehoshua (Jeho + shua`) in Hebrew, which means Jehovah is salvation (or Yahweh is help, according to HALOT).

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    Here's a nice play on words in connection with Jesus' righteousness. It demonstrates the value of progressive word studies:

    The history and statistics of words and concepts greatly assist in illuminating obscure phrases and sentences. E.g., nahhal of Ps. 110:7 cannot refer to “a river of water of life” of John’s vision because Jesus would receive immortality after his resurrection (cf. 1 Tim. 6:15, 16; Rev. 22:1, 2). The concept is explained by the prophet Amos (5:24), the water torrent in this case signifying “justice” and “righteousness.” This word also crops up in the book of Ezekiel (47:5, 6, 9, 12), describing the torrent from the threshold of Ezekiel’s futuristic temple (cf. 2 Pet. 3:13; Rev. 21:5). See TDOT, vol. IX, pp. 335-337.

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Thread linked here for reference.

    Some comments from the NICOT-Jeremiah commentary (J. A. Thompson, p.490-91):

    In both the OT and later rabbinic writings there are two facets of the doctrine of Messiah: teaching about the Messiah as a person, and teaching about the Messianic Age. We have these two aspects here with the person of the Messiah in v. 5 and the Messianic Age in v. 6 (cf. Isa. 11:1-5 and 6-16). In his days Judah will be "rescued," "delivered," "liberated," all possible translations of the verb tiwwasa'. [Niphal 3rd fem. sing. of yasa', "to save"; NWT has "saved" - Bobcat] . . . Jeremiah looked forward to a day when Judah would be released from all restraints. No longer would external foes or internal tensions trouble her. She would be "kept safe" (NEB), "saved" (RSV), would "triumph" (J. Bright). But in that day the whole family of Israel would share in the rule of the ideal king. Israel here refers to the northern kingdom. She too would live in safety. The theme of coming salvation for all Israel occurs in chapters 30 and 31.

    As in Isa. 9:6 a symbolic name is given to the coming king, Yahweh sidqenu, Yahweh is our Righteousness. The interpretation of the name varies. It is probably a play on the name of Zedekiah, sidqi-yahu, My righteousness is Yahweh. The noun sedeq was firmly anchored in the concept of kingship in Israel, and it would not be surprising for a king to take such a name as Zedekiah. If the king failed to live according to the symbolism of his name, "Yahweh is my righteousness," it would be appropriate for a prophet to draw the contrast as though to say: "but our Righteousness is Yahweh." In general the term sedeq denotes "what is right," "according to the norm," and hence, what is just. In some cases where Yahweh, or a king, sets to establish the right, the word (or its feminine form s e daqa) comes to mean the justice done in favor of someone, or vindication (Isa. 41:2, 10; 58:8; 62:1, 2) The plural sedaqot means "saving acts" (Judg 5:11; 1 Sam 12:7; Isa 45:24; Mic 6:5; Ps 103:6) Hence the symbolic name could mean "Yahweh is the vindication of our right" or "Yahweh is our Justice." The term must be allowed to take on its full meaning, which includes the saving presence and activity of Yahweh. The name is different from Zedekiah's name in that the pronouns are different and the position of Yahweh is different. The name Zedekiah could mean "Yahweh is my vindication." A play on the name seems evident and the oracle can therefore be dated during the reign of that king [Zedekiah]. . .

    Clearly the oracle was a solemn one and pointed to a new era. Probably Jeremiah had in mind an ideal ruler who was closely bound to history. The forthcoming age was not seen as something reserved for the eschatalogical era, but as coming at the end of a particular era that had been marked by a failure in the functioning of the kingship in the context of the covenant.

    [End of quote]

  • Splash
    Splash

    Only Mary's lineage is important since Joseph was merely a bystander to Jesus conception.

  • Legacy
    Legacy

    Hi All,

    Thanks everybody. I think I get the point. Even though Jesus will be the King or is the King, all praises go to Jehovah. What I'm thinking is maybe something got lost in translation. Most other bibles say, Lord. Is Lord Jesus or God. I think to show that God & Jesus are separate, the NWT was translated this way to show...ah, wait a minute...their literature was written to translate this verse. Supposedly others could use this to prove that there may be a trinity. Illustration...King Smith will be sent by a President Jones,eventually...this King is going to put things straight, when he arrives..so, when the King finally arrives, & does make things right, folks will say All Hail to PRESIDENT JONES FOR SENDING KING SMITH TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT...So the King is mentioned but he doesn't get any of the Kudo's..does that sound about right ?

    Jehovah is not a God of confusement...he wants all to understand his word...most do, except those who like man's literature instead of God's Word.

    Thanks all, I'll find another comment re: Jeremiah book...

    Be Well,

    Legacy

    Legacy

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