OKAY... July 2013 Witchtower. The end ain't coming fo at least 30 years...

by hamsterbait 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    The Noolite in the July Study Rag, is that ALL the annointed will be in heaven when Armageddy starts.

    They already PROVED from the scriptures that there is NOT going to be a rapture of annointed. (As a Study pointed out they would "never" go back to a teaching they had disproved with the Babble)

    Since Mark Sanderson is about 48, is in Beth Hell and receives the very best of health care, we can count on him living until at least 70 - 80. Unless he dies of cancer or obesity or an accident.

    He started taking the emblems in his 20s. If other annointed are that young, we have a LONG time to wait for them all to croak their last breath.

    Personally I think that they will adopt a rapture theology, as they can then include the "maybe tomorrow" death threat, and ratchet up the fear and tension.

    Do you think these ideas are at the back of the mind in the congos? Why they are slacking, despite the increased death threats in the Litterature. (eg WT study: "What will you do to keep Living?" - subscript : God is going to slaughter you, how can you kiss his a$$hole fast enough?)

    HB

  • straightshooter
    straightshooter

    They did not let up on the "death threats" after the new understanding of the meaning of "generation". Hence I think most witnesses will gloss over this information in the July WT or feel that this is way over the head too complicated. Either way, like most of the gibberish the WTS gives, the flock blindly follows.

  • cult classic
    cult classic

    "Armaggedy" ...roflmao

    Seriously though, that is a cryin' shame.

  • wallsofjericho
    wallsofjericho
    They already PROVED from the scriptures that there is NOT going to be a rapture of annointed. (As a Study pointed out they would "never" go back to a teaching they had disproved with the Babble)

    I did not get this from the article. I got the impression they do now accept a "rapture" like taking of the anointed after the GT begins but before Armageddon

    there is no indication of when the GT will begin or how long the period of judging the sheep and the goats leading up to Armageddon will be in the article.

  • paladin
    paladin

    I'm still in and just finished reading the last study article in that mag. This entire study mag is loaded with fear and guilt statements. Do more now the big "A" is coming.

  • Separation of Powers
    Separation of Powers

    Interesting supposition Hamsterbait. I would like your opinion of the following:

    One of the principal elements of the July 2013 Watchtower that few have mentioned is the timeline illustration of "The Wheat and The Weeds"

    In that illustration, there is a portion titled "Shining Brightly." Notice what the caption states, "Shortly before Armageddon, the remaining faithful annointed are gathered to the heavens." (italics mine)

    Now, I don't know about you, but that sounds strikingly similar to the expression found in 1 Thessalonias 4:17; "Afterward, we the living who are surviving together with them, be caught away in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." (NWT)

    Most versions are translated the same except for the Douay-Rheims Bible which says, "Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be taken up together with them in the clouds..."

    Looks like the door has been opened for the rapture to begin someday soon!

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    SEP - I agree with your point about the "GATHERING" sounding like Thess.

    I wanted to point out that a Study many years ago said that if they had thoroughly DISPROVED something from the scriptures, they would never go back to it, as it would be like a dog returning to its vomit. My implication being that they are indeed about to return to the "VOMIT" of a rapture teaching.

    I dont have the litterature anymore, so cannot find the quote.

    Any takers for that job?

    HB

  • prologos
    prologos

    Why do we think that this group of 8 is the one to go to heaven and not their successors living generations that have overlapped later?

    Does not Re.20:4 show that the co-rulers with Christ are the martyred, executed ones?

    Did any of the latter day figures, Russel, Rutherford, Franz, Knorr, Henschel, Shitty, Friend, Barr et al really die such a sacrificial death?

    See the great "Tribulation Illustration" page 4 . above Mat: 24:22 : "-- on account of CHOSEN ONES --these days will be cut short--"

    since the "anointed " are going to die anyway, to go to heaven, executed and/or rapture,

    the "chosen ones" must be Christians in general, as described in Isiah 65: "--chosen ones will be houses,-- their offspring--"

    it is so hard to make a good story now based entirely on the talking snake.

    The sooner we snap out of the "end of the world-generation/ WE are the chosen ones/ thinking" -- the better, freer, saner we will be.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Do not compare the GB to those amazing, loveable dogs! I bet the GB both corporate and individually would definitely eat their vomit.

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Here is the context from Matthew:

    (Matthew 24:29-31 NWT) . . ."Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

    But breaking it down further:

    Here is verse 29:

    "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

    Here is the parallel to Mt 24:29 in Luke:

    (Luke 21:25, 26 NWT) . . .Also, there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and [its] agitation, 26 while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

    This portion, especially as brought out by Luke, relates action taking place among the gentiles.

    The Jews had to deal with the prophecy related in Matthew 24:15 (when Gallus arrived to quell the Jewish rebellion [c. Nov 66] thru verse 22, thru the spring of 67 when Vespasian had started the Roman war against the Jews to destroy them, and on into 68 AD. This time was the beginning of "great tribulation" for the Jews. (Not just in Judea either. Jews all over the Roman empire were being assaulted as a show of support for the empire.)

    Sometime in 68 AD Nero committed suicide and began what has been called, 'The Year of the Four Emperors.' Some references describe this roughly 18 month period as the greatest upheaval the Roman empire had ever seen up to that time. If the Roman Empire is taken as the figurative "heavens" (of Mt 24:29 and Luke 21:26), it was definitely "shaken." Fired cities all along the coasts, indeed, throughout the empire, left 'the sun darkened and the moon not giving its light' for many in the empire. Vespasian left his son Titus in charge of the Jewish War and brought order to the empire, he ending up as the fourth of the 'four emperors.'

    It was following this that Titus made his seige of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Verse 30 of Mt 24, with its 'sign of the son of man' appears to be a reference to the final days of the Jewish rebellion and the destruction of Jerusalem. (See some discussion about it here and here. (See my posts 837, 839, 840 on the second link.)

    If you take this prophecy in Mt 24 as directly foretelling what would happen to the Jews in the first century, then, verse 31 is describing the gathering of Christian "chosen ones" from the four corners of the earth. In other words, the Christian preaching work expands, historically, from this point out to the farthest reaches of the planet. Verse 31 is, in a few words, describing centuries of activity that would take place.

    Verse 31, like 29 and 30, has verbal echos to a number of OT passages:

    Deut 30:4 - 'gathering from one end of heaven to the other.'

    Zech 2:10 LXX - similar to Deut 30:4

    Isa 27:13 - great trumpet blast

    Also compare Mt 24:31 with Mt 8:11-12

    For angels doing the gathering - compare Mt 13:41 and 16:27, 25:31-34

    The WT is mistaken in limiting the "chosen ones" to just the 144,000, although, they would be among those gathered. The WT assumes that only the 144,000 are "anointed." The NT never speaks of 'non-anointed' Christians. Receiving the "promised spirit" is part and parcel of what makes the New Covenant better than the Old Law Covenant. (Compare Galatians chapters 3 and 4)

    Hope this is helpful (And sorry for the length of the post)

    Take Care

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