ELDERS ARE HUMBLE! (Handbook)

by plmkrzy 16 Replies latest jw experiences

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    I just found this to be a bit amusing

    I was scrolling through the elder’s handbook. Hehe well it was there!
    Interesting direction given to elders and overseers from the governing body of elders. Are they not including themselves in this secret advice?

    Be a humble slave of your fellow Christians, not 'lording
    it over them.' (Matt. 20:25-28; Gal. 5:13; 1 Pet. 5:3)

    Be a source of relief and refreshment. ( Isa. 32:1, 2)

    Be just, righteous, and tender when judging sheep in
    God's flock. (Compare Ezekiel 34:7-14.)

    Notice “In Gods flock” not their flock but Gods flock.

    I think somewhere during their (not all obviously) metamorphosis transferring from a regular human or just a member of the flock to a P.O. they forget this. IMHO this is the very reason there are so many problems with-in the org.’s If they would have followed the very advice they give themselves..duh..

    What causes them to not pay attention to this?

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  • simplesally
    simplesally
    Be a humble slave of your fellow Christians, not 'lording
    it over them.'

    If they really followed that it would be better because now its "do as I say, not as I do."

    And along with their "fooler-ers" (aka followers), they quote "well elder so and so said......"

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    sheesh palm youve answered your own question. its not the elders lording it over the flock.
    Its the ORG, thru the elders, not the same thing at all.
    Lol.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    RF hit on the answer.... The whole organization is based on pride, starting at the very top! When was the last time the leaders of the WT Society displayed even a "modicum" of humility? When did they ever apologize for any of their mistakes? When did they renounce their "special" favored lifestyle in favor of living more like the common people who they lead?

    And the elders themselves... do they really acquire their position by being the kindest, gentlest one, or by being able to instill the most fear and guilt into others? Anytime there is a conflict in the elder body between being kind and gentle, versus "cracking the whip" like Rehoboam (see the Rehoboam thread), the elders who are harsh prevail by force of will.

    Only if the organization gives up the harshness of its disfellowshipping arrangement and associated enforced shunning, will we begin to see the leaders even begin to treat others with the kindness and respect they deserve simply for being human.

    -J.R.

    This post was not evaluated by any mental health professionals.
    Any opinions expressed are those of a fuzzy, cuddly rodent.

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    Yep LOL I guess thats pretty plain and clear eh?

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  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    When in Washington, I visited with this fabulous ex-jw named Chris I think...sure wonder how he's doing now.

    He turned me on to some fascinating insights about the so-called 'elder arrangement'.

    1) For instance, although the presence of 'older ones' taking the lead 'among you' is alluded to, this is not the same thing as being 'apponted' by someone thousands of miles away. You were an 'older one', visibly 'taking the lead' among the group. Hardly any comparison to the 'elder appointment' arrangement of today.

    2) Alos, remember that 'all' the Chrsitians then were going to be 'judging the angels', and that apparently did not exclude the women. According to the Watchtower (and some other religions) only a very select few would be 'judging the angels', so back then, 'special wisdom' was given them, insights, and Holy Spirit. Their judging one another and confessing to one another was a whole different ball of wax than today.

    3) And finally, those first-century Christians had 'gifts' of tongues and prophecy and special insight (such as regarding Annanias and Sapphira) so their qualifications to 'judge' one another are totally different than today.

    Remember when Jesus was asked by his disciples about the time of the end? He replied "there will be famines" and he also said they would be busy 'eating and drinking'. Say whaaa? Eating and drinking in a famine.. Then he said "There will be wars and rumors of wars." followed by "They will be crying peace peace." Say Waaa?

    Jesus was not contradicting himself---he was making a point, which he finally made when he said that his arrival would be as a thief in the night. All the way up untill the time of the end, life will go right on and that was as it should be.

    Now, as for Paul, Paul had spent years and years serving the Christians--Jew and Greek--and was pretty darn frustrated with them by now. They were quarreling and arguing and totally not getting along...just one big huge spread out day care center. Regarding their leaders Paul finally said, frustrated, that "here are the qualities you need" and then sets out a list of qulaitites for a human being THAT DOES NOT EXIST. There is no such person as that, all perfect and wonderful. THAT WAS PAUL's point. Paul himself was considered an apostle, but he admited he himself did not match these qualities.

    Just as when Jesus made his remarks about the 'last days', Paul made the point of no one being over another, male or female. he did make the comment of giving double honor to 'those taking the lead', (not excluding women here) and nearly every culture has that tradition.

    And to support this, think of the fact that 'women were to guide the other women'. Nowhere does it say than 'elders' had ANY authority over women. Religions fabricate this. And as for Husbands being the head of Wives, that is within a voluntary marriage arrangement; not 'men' over 'women', (men and women are not a voluntary condition as a rule) and one has nothing to do with the other. Religions fabricate this.

    IF indeed elders were men, then elders would only guide other elders, and that makes absolutely no sense. And besides which, 'elders' were to be married men. Watchtower says, if they are married, they are to have only one wife. No, it doesn't say that. It says "Married, with children", not the qualifier 'if they are married , if they have children'.

    Just like Jesus when he said they would be eating and drinking and famine, and so on.

    Paul was making a point, and he made it SO well, it can be discerned even today 2000 years or so later.

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    and not only are they totally different but in most cases completely non-existant. What a mess.

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  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    Uh I just realized this is in "personal expierences" and I don't know how to fix it.
    Well for the record. I'm not an elder. or a member of the GB

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    THAT WAS PAUL's point.

    Absolute poppycock, I've read that scripture. Paul spoke plainly and literaly. If "that" was Paul's point, he sure tried hard to obscure it.

    The fact that you know that person (man) does not exist does not mean Paul knew that person does not exist. You of course, have the benifit of being a human (woman) living in the year 2002.

    In fact, by the relatively low standards of that community 2000 years ago, men like that might have been plentiful.

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    mmmm "Poppycock" Carmel coated is my favorite.

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