Sin, Mercy and the Watchtower Way

by Thirdson 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • Thirdson
    Thirdson

    It’s strange now how I find such a huge contrast between the words of the Gospel accounts of Jesus and the interpretation of those words by the WTS. To me it seems there is little of the Gospel Jesus in the WTS attitude to sinning and to sinners.

    I recently reread Luke’s account of when Jesus went to the home of the Pharisee, Simon. During the meal a woman of the city, a sinner, bathed Jesus’ feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. When Simon objected to the known sinner touching him, Jesus related an illustration of the creditor who forgave two debtors their debts of 50 and 500 denarii respectively. Jesus asked, “which one of the debtors would love the man more?” When Simon responded, “the one in greater debt”, Jesus compared this to the woman saying she showed greater love to Jesus than Simon did because her greater sins were forgiven. (See Luke 7:36-50)

    Many times Jesus compared sins and showed that regardless of the extent of sin all would be forgiven and in reality all mankind is under the same condemnation regardless of how the degree of sin is perceived.

    I looked up the WTS comments on this account and noted quite a twist to the words.

    Jesus preached to sinners of all kinds and helped them. (Luke 7:34-47) But he did not join in unscriptural conduct.

    What if someone in the Christian congregation unwisely lost control of himself as a result of alcohol or some other stimulant? That would be a rare thing. But if it did happen, possibly that one could be lovingly helped to regain the right way, the way that would have God's approval. (Gal. 6:1) If, though, a person made a practice of it, bringing reproach on himself, his family and the congregation, then he would be disfellowshiped from the Christian congregation so as to maintain the moral purity of God's people.-1 Cor. 5:11-13.

    Watchtower 1/15/68 Page 64 (Questions from Readers)

    Would Jesus have taken that attitude? I am sure that “the woman of the city” made a practice of it. Maybe earned a living from it. I don’t think she lost control once and was lovingly being helped to the right way as a result of this one-off occurrence.

    In the Watchtower’s example, often a case of alcoholism, which could be one way a person (however rare) could be practicing drunkenness, isn’t this a sign that a person needs help? Is disfellowshipping someone (often after a single act of sin) who has serious personal problems an act of love? Wouldn’t the loving thing be to find that person the real help they need? Would not showing a forgiving attitude cause greater love and appreciation to be shown for the ones showing forgiveness and offering help and thus prompt the person to accept the help offered?

    In the next quote, who do you think shows the pharisaical attitude?

    By his not extending mercy and love to other sinners, his sins proved to be greater. Jesus told the woman: "Your faith has saved you; go your way in peace." There is no record that Jesus told the Pharisee that his faith had saved him.-Luke 7:50.

    The loveless world today is like the Pharisees. Its cold, merciless course has shattered the lives of billions of people. It has sown hate. It cannot reap love. Shortly, Jehovah will withdraw the mercy he has extended to it for over 4,000 years, since the flood of Noah's day. At the universal war of Armageddon he will execute in righteousness the loveless and merciless ones. That will be a period of unequaled trouble for this friction-filled world. Those who have proved their love by being merciful and forgiving will be spared and ushered into a new world, where, under God's loving hand, men will be gradually brought back to perfection.

    Watchtower 12/1/60 Page 712

    Compared to the previous Watchtower quotation who would you think proves to be cold and merciless and thus liable for execution.

    By their own words they stand condemned.

    Thirdson

    'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

  • somebody
    somebody

    Thirdson,

    I see your point about the WBTS's interpretation of the Gospel accounts of Jesus. I find that it's not that often that they even write about The Gospel of Jesus. The only time I see them write any substansial amount about Jesus is just before the memorial service. In the same articles, as you read on, you notice that they start "encouraging" members to invite everyone they know to the kingdom hall for the memorial service. It's then that in hits you why they wrote about Jesus to begin with.

    After I walked away out of a kingdom hall for the last time, it felt good to read the four Gospels of Jesus, without a watchtower or any other book written by the WBTS. For the first time, I read the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and was completely amazed. I was so used to reading "what would Paul do?" like material, that I never knew the story of Jesus. Ilove those four books. It explains what Christ was like and why He gave his life. It also opened my eyes more and more to see that while being a JW, I was imitating Pharisee.

    peace,
    somebody

  • Copernicus
    Copernicus

    Thirdson:

    Is disfellowshipping someone (often after a single act of sin) who has serious personal problems an act of love? Wouldn’t the loving thing be to find that person the real help they need? Would not showing a forgiving attitude cause greater love and appreciation to be shown for the ones showing forgiveness and offering help and thus prompt the person to accept the help offered?

    Of course, with the WTS, it’s not about love is it? It’s about IMAGE. Known drunks (etc) don’t jive with the misleading magazine covers depicting perfectly well adjusted dub’s. The happiest people on earth don’t have problems. And if they do, it must be because of some personal shortcoming they possess, not a failing of the organization or its teachings.

    Your post touched a chord in me. I am not df’d, but I have many have vivid and painful memories of mistreatment by the “friends” because of the attitude shown toward me by those who were aware of my past “sins.” Yes, God may forgive and forget, but the average publisher doesn’t. And they LOVE to gossip about it, don’t they?

    The elders early on counseled me to “prove” to the others that I wasn’t what they thought (whatever that was). Hmmmm. . . I never liked that idea. I spent years as an overachiever trying to do just that – with marginal success. Many times I felt as did Paul, in his pains over the wounds inflicted upon him by unloving, false brothers.

    Then I suddenly realized that I was allowing others to define my view of myself in exchange for their acceptance. And for what? Now I say, screw em! Since I’ve come to realize its all bullshit anyhow, it makes it all that much more aggravating to recall.

    You did a nice job contrasting the ideal (Jesus) with the reality one finds in the WT.

  • patio34
    patio34

    Hi Ya, Thirdson,

    Haven't seen you in a while! Interesting post and very correct, I think. Except I couldn't, wouldn't read all of the Wt article. I've only been 'free' for about 3.5 months, and I get a stomach churning feeling from their writing. It's completely involuntary.

    Pat

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    Dear ThirdSon,

    It was a similar line of reasoning that led me to contact my dear, DF'd friend DESPITE what the organization said to renew our friendship. Which, in turn, eventually resulted in my departure from the unloving organization which was NOT Christ-like in mercy.

    Thanks for the post, which I'm sure will help others to really THINK:

    What would Jesus do?

    outnfree

  • CPiolo
    CPiolo

    Thirdson:

    In a recent WT I browsed an article about the dangers of drug use amoung youths. It offered no concrete advice other than to turn to Jehovah.

    While reading, I wondered how someone with a substance abuse problem would be treated in a typical JW congregation. Not being a JW, but judging from what I've read here, I imagine the person would be DFed if they we're unrepentant and/or were unable to overcome their addiction. In other words, when they most needed help and support, they would be abandoned by their entire support system. The WT offers no programs to help those in need --drug and alchohol counseling programs, teen pregnancy programs, etc. It seems you obey and submit, or your out on your own, most especially when your need is greatest.

    CPiolo

  • Thirdson
    Thirdson

    Thanks for your comments.

    CPiolo,

    No support is offered. This has been said before; there are no alcoholics, drug users, thieves, or whatever among JW's. The reason, they kick them out. No help is offered because no-one has problems. If you have a problem you are not a member.

    Quite simple really.

    Thirdson

    'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

  • Tina
    Tina

    Hi 3rdson,
    Interesting thoughts here.
    Hi CPiolo,
    When I was still attending kh,AA or other 12 step groups were a big no-no. Their version of 'treatment' was reading off a few scrips.
    I don't know if it's 'allowed' now.....but seems the brothers had a problem with the 'higher power' concept(at least at my kh). They missed the whole point that if a JW attended AA,their hp would have been Jah anyway......and of course Im sure they feared the open sharing that goes on in that type of meeting.
    I can just imagine a JW sharing wts policy and getting challenged on the abusive ,controlling nature of it. Just some thoughts,hugs,Tina

    psssssst BETHelMOle's the name

  • RipVanWinkle
    RipVanWinkle

    Thirdson,

    Something that disturbs me besides the difference between the talk and the walk, is that so much hinges on WHO you KNOW. If you have the right friends, family etc. (elder, CO, DO etc.) you may drink to an excess, live an immoral life, cheat, slander, embezzle etc. and get no disciplinary action. It all gets swept under the carpet. It doesn't hurt to give some of these "positioned" persons some nice gifts every so often either. Yet, someone else w/out contacts will be sent out on a rail and told "don't bother coming back".

    I've seen so many changes during the past 20 (+ -) years. Or maybe I'm just more aware.

    RVW

  • somebody
    somebody

    Thirdson,

    No support is offered. This has been said before; there are no alcoholics, drug users, thieves, or whatever among JW's. The reason, they kick them out. No help is offered because no-one has problems. If you have a problem you are not a member.

    I think that sums up what all of us(RVW,TINA CPiolo, outnfree,patio, and Copern) have been agreeing on when all is said and done in the borg land so far.

    I think this topic is great. It's all SO true. I hope it keeps going, and more people participate. Really, it makes no difference whether one is an atheist, or a christian. It's a FACT that both treat others with forgiveness and love. Whether following the Bible or not, I've yet to see a congregation of JWs show REAL love for each other. What comes natural for some, has to be dictated to others.

    peace,
    somebody

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