When are you "officially" subject to the WTS?

by Elsewhere 9 Replies latest jw friends

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  Elsewhere

  Even if you are not baptized, all you have to do is turn in time and they consider you subject to them...

  *** Watchtower 88 11/15 p. 17 Helping Others to Worship God ***

  The two elders will inform the student that when he qualifies for and shares in the field service, he may turn in a field service report and a Congregation?s Publisher Record card will be made out in his name. This will demonstrate his affiliation with the theocratic organization of Jehovah?s Witnesses and his submission to it. (This would also be true of all others turning in field service reports.)
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  Nosferatu

  Very true that it all starts with becoming an unbaptized publisher. They have a special ceremony to take away this "privelage".
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  stillajwexelder

  They have a special ceremony to take away this "privilege".

  Absolutely TRUE --they announce from the platform - so-and-so is no longer an unbaptized publisher -humiliation and control -- so yes it is when one becomes an unbaptized publisher
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  xjw_b12

  Eslewhere: This will demonstrate his affiliation with the theocratic organization of Jehovah?s Witnesses and his submission to it. (This would also be true of all others turning in field service reports.)

  That is very true. When CJ and I became irregular, there was an incident at the start of the year, during the Service Meeting, when the MS handing out the blood cards for the year, made a blantant move to ignore us, while walking down the ailses.

  The explanation of elder PO was "you are technically not considered active JW's if you are not regular in FS."

  Thank you WTBTS.
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  shamus

  ROFLMAO, xjw.

  What a perfect example of how they judge one another, LOL! Sorry, I get so outraged at they're hypocrosy that I can only laugh... not laughing at you. That must have been horrible. It really does not suprise me, though.
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  Dawn

  Gosh xjw........does that mean you could now have a blood transfusion ......what love and consideration they show for the lost sheep eh?
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  VM44

  Strange.....The "Blood Card" is to inform medical workers not to give blood transfusions to the bearer.

  For years it has also served the dual purpose of an identification card for JWs.

  Can one be an active JW in good standing and NOT have a Blood Card?

  Also, it has been said by the Watchtower or by their representatives that they have no membership roles....this is FALSE, the publisher cards in the congregation are a de facto membership role.

  --VM44
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  blondie

  You are subject to them the day you say you want to be a unbaptized publisher--the engagement phase which under the Law was considered the same as being married and subject to your fiancee's authority. At that point the WTS starts dictating grooming and behavior with threat of punishment.

  That is why an engaged girl who did not scream rape was executed just like the married woman for adultery, but the unengaged girl was merely forced to marry her rapist.

  Baptism then makes you just like a married woman, subject to the vagaries and whims of her husband, becoming a piece of property, owned by her husband.

  Blondie (never very submissive married or not)
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  xjw_b12

  You are subject to them, but they sure as hell don't consider themselves servants to you.

  To add to our story. After the aforementioned incident, our son went in for minor surgery to have his adnoids and tonsils removed. Even though CJ and I had faded, I still felt responsible to Jehovah, and dutifully filled out the "No Blood" forms. I also spoke privately with the Aniethiseologist (sp)? to make sure he understood our beliefs. He was very cold, angry actually, and gave me quite a rough time over it. He actually scared me, and I remember standing by myself in the hallway as my son was wheeled into the OR, feeling so, so alone and frightened, like a little boy, lost in the big department store who cannot find his mommy.

  Surgery went fine. Some time after, the elders came by for a "shepherding" call, and during the small talk, I relayed the story about the episode at the hospital, and the rough time I received over the blood issue. Elder #1 sheepishly turned to me and replied " You do know David, that because of your inactive status, if you did run into complications with blood at the hospital, we would not be able to go to the hospital and intercede on your behalf. All we would be permitted to do is give you advice over the phone."

  I asked them to leave.
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  wednesday

  I asked them to leave.

  u are too nice xjwb12. Booting them wiould have been too good.

  To show u how really cold blooded JWS are, a relative who had never been a active jw , but sort of believed that way, died. In the end her family was proud they refused blood(would have not made any odifference in her outcome). The rest of the JW family said" who cares, her life is meaningless, and no one cared if she took blood or not, they laughed at the non jw family reslove to not take blood. Citing agian, her life was worthless. She was nothing before jehovah. I jumped in and corrected them, but they just laughed at me. I hate jws

  Her life was not worhtless , she was a kind and decent person.