Mark of the Beast

by imallgrowedup 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • imallgrowedup
    imallgrowedup

    Hi there!

    I had an interesting discussion with my mother regarding the Mark of the Beast. She had asked me to do some research on it, and when I told her that I had finished researching it and discovered that the greek word "mark" was "an etching", she got very defensive and asked me what "mark" meant in Hebrew. I told her that it didn't matter what it meant in Hebrew, because the context in which it is used in Revelation is written in greek. But to humor her, I looked it up in Hebrew, and sure enough, it meant the same thing. She suddenly "had to go" - and I never got the Witness' position on the Mark of the Beast from her. Obviously it is different. Can anybody give me a little insight?!

    Thanks!

  • shera
    shera

    Hi,I can't give you any insight but I thank you for posting this. You have inlightened me and its something good to know.

    Heather

  • Valis
    Valis

    From the early days..

    666

    *** Watchtower January/February 1882 pp.9,10 ***

    [Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]

    'THE NAME OF THE BEAST, OR THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME.'

    Q. Have you been able to decipher the name and number? I have heard of many who have tried all sorts of names and applications, but none of them ever seemed reasonable to me.

    A. The same has been my difficulty. A little over a year ago I spoke on the subject of this same chapter to the name-less little company of 'this way,' in Lynn, Mass. , and concluded my remarks by telling them that I had never seen a satisfactory explanation of the 666. And, though I thought I had given a correct analysis of the symbols of the chapter, yet I could not claim it to be wisdom, since I could not interpret the number. I suggested, however, that if ours be the correct understanding of the time in which we are living-the 'harvest' of the age-and if our general application of these symbols be correct, the number should soon be understood. I urged examination on the subject by all, for the Lord is sometimes pleased to give wisdom through the weakest of his children. 'Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou hast ordained praise. '

    About three months after, I received a long letter from one of the thinking brethren of that place, saying that he thought he had the key; and I think he has; it certainly fits the lock in every particular. I will give it to you very much as he suggested it.

    His process of reasoning was as follows: Jesus, who gave this revelation to us (Rev. 1:1), well knew that this symbol could not be understood until about the present time, for the reason that the Image was only made in 1846. Jesus also knew, of course, that English would be the language used by probably four-fifths of his earnest truth-seeking children, in the 'time of the end. He knew, also, that not many wise, not many great, not many learned in all languages would be of the chosen 'little flock. ' Moreover, it was his custom to adapt his teachings to the 'common people,' and of this sort his Jewels have been from, the twelve disciples and since. Therefore it would appear that the number 666, should be open to the comprehension of us all ? we being the ones told to count ? as much so as were the other symbolic numbers of Danl. and Rev. Let us try, then, to apply these figures in English.*(This is the first application in English, known to the writer, but the reasonableness of it is obvious.)

    First, then, the number is that of the (first) BEAST. Let us see whether it will apply to some of its names, That system which Paul calls the man of sin is the

    Roman Catholic power = 666.
    12345 61234561 23456

    He is in Revelation called a BEAST
    Roman Catholic 'Beast' = 666.

    The system is also called the 'woman' (Rev. 17:18)
    Roman Catholic 'woman' = 666.

    She calls herself the
    'Holy Catholic Church' = 666.

    She is really and truly (Rev. 17:5) 'The Mother of Harlots' = 666.

    Thus we see that the number fits the BEAST well.

    The second BEAST was anxious to have exactly the same name, and in fact it claimed to have the pre-eminent right to the name? 'Holy Catholic church,' = 666.

    Other names by which it is often known, are ?
    'English State Church,' = 666.
    'The Episcopal Church,' = 666.
    'Episcopalian Church,' = 666.
    'The Church of England,' = 666.

    This application of the number, will doubtless appear to some too simple to be accepted, but thus God ever deals with us?hiding truth under the vail of its own simplicity, so that it may appear to the Greek (worldly wise) foolishness, but unto them which believe (not to those who believe without evidence, but who believe on the strongest kind of evidence ?the harmony of His Word) the power of God, and the wisdom of God. (1 Cor. 1:23.)

    The Image causes all who claim relationship, or whom it recognizes, as having a right to buy or sell - teach - to have as a creed, that which shall mark them as having either 'the name' of the BEAST, or the 'number' of his name - 666.

    Many take the name and in their creeds recite, 'I believe in the 'Holy Catholic Church' = 666.

    Among those who thus openly mark themselves in their forehead (by their creeds) are Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians and others. But others give a seeming support (mark in their hand) to the general principal by organizing under various sectarian names. After these are blended in the IMAGE, (and no one would be admitted to membership in the Evangelical Alliance, unless he be a member of some such sect), they all are collectively known as the 'Protestant Churches,' = 666. Which we see contains the Beast's number.

    If we for instance were to organize, though we protest more than all others against the errors of Rome, and also against the errors of the Image and second BEAST, yet we would not be reckoned one of the 'Protestant churches,' because we would not be recognized as orthodox?They would not count our organization a church.

    Should you inquire for our meetings and ask ? Is that a protestant church which meets here? the answer would come ? Oh, no; they are not Evangelical. They have no creed to mark them, so that the Alliance can decide whether they are an Evangelical Protestant Church or not.

    [Emphasis Added]

    [Editors Note: Using this same 6+6+6 formula:
    Charles Taze Russell
    1234561 2345 6123456 = 666]

    *** The Finished Mystery 1917, page 215 ***

    [Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]

    Revelation 13:18

    Here is wisdom. Let him that hath (understanding) AN EAR count the number of the beast.- 'Here is scope for ingenuity. Let people of shrewd intelligence calculate the number of the Wild Beast; for it indicates a certain man, and his number is 666.'- Weym.

    For it is the number of a man.? The Man of Sin, the Papacy.? Rev.19:20; 2 Thess, 2:3. (And his number is) Six hundred threescore and six.- In the Greek this number is six hundred (represented by the Greek letter 2), plus sixty (represented by the Greek letter ), plus sixty (represented by the Greek letter +). It is not as though it read six plus six plus six.

    'The following extract on this point is from a work entitled The Reformation, bearing the date of 1832: ''Mrs. A.,' said Miss Emmons, 'I saw a very curious fact the other day; I have dwelt upon it much, and will mention it. A person, lately, was witnessing a ceremony of the Romish Church. As the pope passed him in the procession, splendidly dressed in his pontifical robes, the gentleman's eye rested on these full, blazing letters in front of his mitre (tiara- crown): VICARIVS FILII DEI, the Vicar of the Son of God. His thoughts, with the rapidity of lightning, reverted to Rev. 13:18.' 'Will you turn to it?' said Mrs. A. Alice opened the New Testament, and read: 'Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.' She paused, and Miss Emmons said, 'He took out his pencil, and marking the 'numerical letters of the inscription on his tablet, it stood 666.'' (Smith.)

    V-5
    I-1
    C-100
    A-0
    R-0
    I-1
    V-5
    S-0

    F-0
    I-1
    L-50
    I-1
    I-1

    D-500
    E-0
    I-1

    Total 666

    This explanation was approved by Pastor Russell, and was given by him at a Convention Question Meeting. On the pope's crown in the Vatican museum is the recognized and most used title of the pope, VICARIVS FILII DEI (Vicar of the Son of God.) The word VICARIVS is on the top of the threefold crown. The word FILII is on the second circlet; and the words are made from dark, shining precious jewels. The word DEI is on the under part of the threefold crown and is made of 100 diamonds. 'The Tiara is a bee-hive shaped, somewhat bulging head-covering, ornamented with three crowns. It is first mentioned by Pope Constantine, in A.D. 715. It first appears on papal coins in the reign of Sergius III., A.D. 911. At this period it was merely a cap of white stuff. The papal coins of the 11th century leave it doubtful whether the ornamental band at the lower edge of the tiara is intended to represent a crown or merely a decoration. It is only in representations dating from the late 13th century that the circlet appears as a regular spiked crown. The second circlet was added by Pope Boniface VIII., A.D. 1303. The third was added under Clement V., A.D. 1311.' (Brit.) The reason for the addition of any of these crowns is unknown, or why the pope should have any crown at all. The words VICARIVS FILII DEI are, it is said, also carved over the entrance to the Vatican.

    [Emphasis Added]

    *** Awake! November 22, 1966 ***

    [Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]

    There is no place in the Bible that encourages one to try to link the letters of certain words with mystical numbers in order to uncover mystical truths. Such a practice originates, not with the Bible, but in ancient Babylon.

    [Emphasis Added]

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    I took this from the c d Rom, I dont know if it is what you mean

    Revelation Book page 197

    35
    What does it mean to be marked on the forehead or in the right hand with the name of the wild beast? When Jehovah gave Israel the Law, he told them: "You must apply these words of mine to your heart and your soul and bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they must serve as a frontlet band between your eyes." (Deuteronomy 11:18) This meant that the Israelites had to keep that Law constantly before them, so that it influenced all their actions and thoughts. The 144,000 anointed ones are said to have the Father?s name and that of Jesus written on their foreheads. This identifies them as belonging to Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. (Revelation 14:1) In imitation, Satan uses the demonic mark of the wild beast. Anybody engaged in everyday activities such as buying and selling is pressured to do things the way the wild beast does, as, for example, in celebrating holidays. They are expected to worship the wild beast, letting it rule their lives, so as to receive its mark.

    It lacks a clear definition of exactly what they mean. The understanding that I had was that the "Mark " came on to one who had sold out to the wild beast by giving it an act of allegiance , or by beleiving that it was the way to save mankind

    This was of course written at a time when the WTS was a NGO signed up to support the aims and charter of the UN. Do I detect the whiff of hypocracy?????

  • Valis
    Valis

    *** Watchtower 1999 May 1 p.15 "Let the Reader Use Discernment" ***

    A Modern-Day "Disgusting Thing"

    7 Since World War I, we have seen the larger fulfillment of Jesus' sign recorded in Matthew chapter 24. Yet, recall his words: "When you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation . . . standing in a holy place, . . . then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains." (Matthew 24:15, 16) This aspect of the prophecy must have a fulfillment in our time too.

    8 Demonstrating the confidence of Jehovah's servants that this prophecy would be fulfilled, The Watchtower of January 1, 1921, focused on it in connection with developments in the Middle East. Subsequently, in its December 15, 1929, issue, on page 374, The Watchtower definitively said: "The whole tendency of the League of Nations is to turn the people away from God and from Christ, and it is therefore a desolating thing, the product of Satan, and an abomination in the sight of God." So in 1919 "the disgusting thing" appeared. In time, the League gave way to the United Nations. Jehovah's Witnesses have long exposed these human peace organizations as disgusting in God's sight.

    [?]

    15 Revelation depicts "a scarlet-colored wild beast" that exists for a time, disappears, and then returns. (Revelation 17:3, 8) This beast is supported by world rulers. Details supplied in the prophecy help us to identify this symbolic beast as a peace organization that came into existence in 1919 as the League of Nations (a "disgusting thing") and that is now the United Nations. Revelation 17:16, 17 shows that God will yet put it into the hearts of certain human rulers who are prominent in this "beast" to desolate the world empire of false religion. That attack marks the outbreak of the great tribulation.

    [Emphasis Added]

  • MegaDude
    MegaDude

    Not surprised your mom cut and ran.

    Nothing scares a JW like the truth.

  • HyTech
    HyTech

    Valis - very interesting articele. I have never seen that one before. So, according to their own calcs, this means that.....

    Jehovah's Witnesses = 666.
    123456123 456123456

    How interesting indeed!!!!

  • imallgrowedup
    imallgrowedup

    Wow! You guys have supplied me with a lot of information! Thanks so much! I am printing it all out so I can look at it a little more closely, so I'll get back with y'all after I finish reading!

    Again, THANKS!

    imallgrowedup

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    Actually it was a dual misprint. It should have been "Mark of the Breast" and it wasn't six-six-six! It was "Sex-sex-sex"!

    caveman

  • concerned mama
    concerned mama

    Valis,

    That is interesting, complete and total hogwash. You mean people really believe that stuff?

    Would that article be removed from the CDs because the WT is embarrassed by it now? If they make it hard to find, they can pretend doesn't exist and they never said it?

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