COC WHO DECIDED THAT IT IS AN APOSTATE BOOK !

by Blueblades 8 Replies latest jw friends

  • Blueblades
    Blueblades

    I know the Society did.But on what basis? Have they given evidence of any apostate material from Crises of Conscience,that stands up?Ray was disfellowedshipped for eating a meal with Peter and that is not apostascy.

    So,on what basis is the book declared apostate material.I have not found any evidence from the Society that points to apostate material from the book itself.Surely they must of read it to make such an announcement to the rank and file not to read it.

    What are your thoughts about this?

    Blueblades

  • blondie
    blondie

    It is true and well-documented. Otherwise, I would figure the WTS would have sued. The WTS is not bashful about suing although it and its representatives convince the R&F not to do so.

    Blondie

  • shamus
    shamus

    B/C it is written by an apostate, is why.

    Unfortunately, when you read the book, Franz was DF'd for apostasy, although he never did practice it!

    Tried to appeal the decision 3 times, and never heard from the society.

    Make sense? The cult thinks so...

  • freedom96
    freedom96

    Franz got a raw deal. I would imagine he ultimately is better off without them, but he had given his life to them. They should have treated him better.

    The Mafia will kill to get rid of an informant, the Society simply DF's you.

  • Joker10
    Joker10

    Couldn't Franz take legal action providing proof that he was descriminated and not treated just like everyone who ha appealed the descition?

  • greven
    greven

    The society simply put the label 'apostate' on this book. That's enough. they never refute the material because they can't, the same with apostate sites. They claim they are apostate but never debate or refute the material on it for the same reason.

    Greven

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    I thought Franz was DFed for having lunch with a DFed person

    As to the question, if a person who is no longer a JW writes a book about the JWs it can't have the truth. Right?

    I'm sure they have read it - pored over it in fact and they don't want the R&F to know what is in the book. They don't need to explain this to the R&F. That would provide too much information and they need to control the information especially some of what was written in the book.

    If we call it a duck and they believe it then it must be a duck. Right?

  • Myxomatosis
    Myxomatosis

    Hi, I'm not nor ever have been a Jdub, but I've read that book, and it's terribly depressing that Raymond is called an apostate, it's only a protection for their false teachings, because an Apostate biblically is one who turns and teaches against GOD and JESUS....any other labeling of apostate is false. I wrote this question recently to a practising Jdub, it's a bit long, and the first part is setup of, sorry for the ginormity ************** b. What would you think of ME if I were to say of MYSELF, rather than an organization, that I was 'Jehovah's sole channel of Biblical truth to earth' or that Jehovah was the Father and I am the Mother? Or what if I were to say that if you disagreed with what I was saying as 'Jehovah's sole channel' that you disagreed with Jehovah? (implicitly or explicitly) What if I were to say that the only way to be Loyal to Jehovah would be to be Loyal to me, and me exclusively in all the world? What would I be saying of myself explicitly, implicitly? Since I COULD say that indeed anyone can, how would people tell if what I said of myself were true? What would be the 'proof' or 'evidence?' Do any persons in the earth today have reason to claim that? Why? What if I were to say that if you disobeyed what I said you were disobeying Jehovah and no longer had his blessing? What if I called you an Apostate if you disagreed with ME and ONLY ME, and were teaching against ME ONLY, and NOT JESUS OR GOD WHATSOEVER, would you be an apostate by Biblical definition? (The Bible says that teaching against GOD, turning against and teaching against GOD means you are an apostate)What if I were a false teacher, and I was misleading others (to their destruction), and though you were the most likely to help them of anyone because you knew what I taught, and you had discovered (through the Bible, Biblical writers, and History) that I was a false teacher, and you wouldn't keep silent for the sake of others, but I wouldn't allow them to hear or read anything that was against me or what I said (critical of), even though it was unbiblical and wrong. Do you think that is doing a disservice to Jehovah?,Do you think that Jehovah would want a former member say of the Moonies, Mormons, theosophy, the Way International, WWCOG, etc. to be SILENT about their misguidance? Exposing and refuting what Jehovah says is very wicked indeed,,,,leading His sheep astray (and doing it mockingly so with His own Word) Would the fact that I labeled those who taught against ME and only ME were 'Apostates' I was protecting my own deception at that point,,,even perhaps telling my followers that 'other' beliefs and that which was 'CONDEMNING' rather than 'Critical of me, because, I HAD SAID IT, I HAD TAUGHT IT, CONDEMNING MYSELF, was SATANIC PROPOGANDA, first of all, would it be? second, would that be a tactic useful to MY false teaching, or useful in the Interest of Jehovah? Protecting my own errant, false interpretation at that point (to the harm of others, and to the bane of Jehovah)? Do you think that I wouldn't want others to see what the 'apostates' had written for the sake of Jehovah,,,for the sake of their salvation by Him? What does the imposition of 'no hearing, no reading, no speaking [to]' do to those who are being misled by me at this point? Would you say that the silence was protecting my false teaching (not only allowing those in my 'care' to remain ignorant and deceived, but to other potential adherents)? Would you say that people should be silent when they've been deceived? What happens when you allow a lie to go unchallenged? ************ by the way, I have a question for former JW's,,,are you allowed to even get near an 'apostate' book, I mean, are you taught to recognize where the info is coming from, if it is from an 'apostate' source? shpanks Myxomatosis

  • Blueblades
    Blueblades

    The book is filled with the Society's own words,publications etc.So, they themselves would be considered APOSTATES,by labeling the book apostate material.

    Blueblades

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