Has the Society ever lost a court case?

by logansrun 3 Replies latest jw friends

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    In all my years of being a JW I have been, as everyone else, bombarded by the amount of times the Society pays homage to it's own legal department and their successes (the latest one involving the US Supremem court case in their favor even prompted an Awake! cover article, blagh!). Never, though, have I heard of them actually losing a decision, be it great or small. This is translated as the legal department having God Almighty's blessing and direction, which is, of coure, total nonsense; it just means they have good lawyers.

    So, does anyone know of a time (besides the famed 1918 case and the ones that were later overruled) in which the Society lost? Just curious.

    Bradley

  • NeonMadman
    NeonMadman

    There was the Olin Moyle case, back in the late 1930's, I believe. Moyle had been a lawyer for Bethel, and was disfellowshipped by Rutherford because he wrote letters exposing the Judge's misconduct and other nasty goings-on at Bethel. Rutherford lambasted Moyle pretty well in the WT announcing Moyle's df'ing. Moyle sued for libel and won.

    That's the general outline; I wouldn't swear to all the details off the top of my head. Witness, Inc. still sells the transcript of the trial, if I'm not mistaken.

  • berylblue
    berylblue

    Somewhere among my possessions, I still have the memorial talk given for Hayden Covington when he died; I remember that it was mentioned that Covington fought something like 45 cases (and I believe quite a few were Supreme Court cases) and won 40, or something like that.

    It was an interesting talk. Seems ol' Hayden was DF for over-imbibing. He was eventually reinstated, but some "nice" Witnesses were split in their opinions on whether or not he would receive his heavenly reward, being as he had been DF.

    Now, SOMEWHERE, I thought I read that Covington was not annointed, and for that reason could not serve on the GB . Then I hear this memorial talk during which a Brother Quackenbush, who gave the talk, stated Covington WAS annointed.

    Wonder which it was? Did Hayden have an epiphany at some point in time during his legal career for the WTS? Or ..... you connect the dots. It's not my nature to be overly suspicious. LOL

    But back to the point of this thread. Covington, as the WTS BIG GUN during a very tumultuous time period, absolutely DID lose some cases. But in those he did win, he never failed to give the credit for the victory to Jehovah, according to Quackenbush. However, and I quote (albeit loosely) Brother Quackenbush, there was one case in particular where the prosecuting attorney felt he had an iron clad, open and shut case. He could not lose. But then he saw that Covington was the defense attorney, and he started (allegedly) babbling, because he knew that Covington was "a tricky, city slicker" who would have "some trick up his sleeve" and that he would win his case on a technicality. Which , according to Quackenbush, was the outcome of this particular trial. That Covington won on a technicality.

    That always bothered me. Since when does the owner of the Universe need to win cases solely on technicalities ?

    Rosemarie

    Rosemarie

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    http://www2.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/foliocgi.exe/historic/query=[group+315+u!2Es!2E+568!3A]^[group+citemenu!3A]^[level+case+citation!3A]^[group+notes!3A]/doc/{@1}/hit_headings/words=4/hits_only?

    Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942) (USSC+)
    February 5, 1942

    March 9, 1942

    APPEAL FROM THE SUPREME COURT OF NEW HAMPSHIRE

    Appellant, a member of the sect known as Jehovah's Witnesses, was convicted in the municipal court of Rochester, New Hampshire, for violation of Chapter 378, ยง 2, of the Public Laws of New Hampshire:

    No person shall address any offensive, derisive or annoying word to any other person who is lawfully in any street or other public place, nor call him by any offensive or derisive name, nor make any noise or exclamation in his presence and hearing with intent to deride, offend or annoy him, or to prevent him from pursuing his lawful business or occupation.

    The complaint charged that appellant,

    with force and arms, in a certain public place in said city of Rochester, to-wit, on the public sidewalk on the easterly side of Wakefield Street, near unto the entrance of the City Hall, did unlawfully repeat the words following, addressed to the complainant, that is to say, "You are a God damned racketeer" and "a damned Fascist and the whole government of Rochester are Fascists or agents of Fascists," the same being offensive, derisive and annoying words and names.

    There is no substantial dispute over the facts. Chaplinsky was distributing the literature of his sect on the streets [p*570] of Rochester on a busy Saturday afternoon. Members of the local citizenry complained to the City Marshal, Bowering, that Chaplinsky was denouncing all religion as a "racket." Bowering told them that Chaplinsky was lawfully engaged, and then warned Chaplinsky that the crowd was getting restless. Some time later, a disturbance occurred and the traffic officer on duty at the busy intersection started with Chaplinsky for the police station, but did not inform him that he was under arrest or that he was going to be arrested. On the way, they encountered Marshal Bowering, who had been advised that a riot was under way and was therefore hurrying to the scene. Bowering repeated his earlier warning to Chaplinsky, who then addressed to Bowering the words set forth in the complaint.

    Chaplinsky's version of the affair was slightly different. He testified that, when he met Bowering, he asked him to arrest the ones responsible for the disturbance. In reply, Bowering cursed him and told him to come along. Appellant admitted that he said the words charged in the complaint, with the exception of the name of the Deity.

    Over appellant's objection, the trial court excluded, as immaterial, testimony relating to appellant's mission "to preach the true facts of the Bible," his treatment at the hands of the crowd, and the alleged neglect of duty on the part of the police. This action was approved by the court below, which held that neither provocation nor the truth of the utterance would constitute a defense to the charge.

    It is now clear that Freedom of speech and freedom of the press, which are protected by the First Amendment from infringement by Congress, are among the fundamental personal rights and liberties which are protected by the Fourteenth Amendment from invasion by state [p*571] action.

    Lovell v. Griffin,

    303 U.S. 444, 450. [n1] Freedom of worship is similarly sheltered. Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296 , 303 .

    Appellant assails the statute as a violation of all three freedoms, speech, press and worship, but only an attack on the basis of free speech is warranted. The spoken, not the written, word is involved. And we cannot conceive that cursing a public officer is the exercise of religion in any sense of the term. But even if the activities of the appellant which preceded the incident could be viewed as religious in character, and therefore entitled to the protection of the Fourteenth Amendment, they would not cloak him with immunity from the legal consequences for concomitant acts committed in violation of a valid criminal statute. We turn, therefore, to an examination of the statute itself.

    Allowing the broadest scope to the language and purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment, it is well understood that the right of free speech is not absolute at all times and under all circumstances.

    [n2] There are certain well defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention [p*572] and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any Constitutional problem. [n3] These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting" words -- those which, by their very utterance, inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. [n4] It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality. [n5]

    Resort to epithets or personal abuse is not in any proper sense communication of information or opinion safeguarded by the Constitution, and its punishment as a criminal act would raise no question under that instrument.

    Cantwell v. Connecticut,

    310 U.S. 296 , 309-310 .

    The state statute here challenged comes to us authoritatively construed by the highest court of New Hampshire. It has two provisions -- the first relates to words or names addressed to another in a public place; the second refers to noises and exclamations. The court said

    The two provisions are distinct. One may stand separately from the other. Assuming, without holding, that the second were unconstitutional, the first

    could stand if constitutional.

    We accept that construction of severability and limit our consideration to the first provision of the statute.

    [n6] [p*573]

    On the authority of its earlier decisions, the state court declared that the statute's purpose was to preserve the public peace, no words being "forbidden except such as have a direct tendency to cause acts of violence by the persons to whom, individually, the remark is addressed."

    [n7] It was further said

    The word "offensive" is not to be defined in terms of what a particular addressee thinks. . . . The test is what men of common intelligence would understand would be words likely to cause an average addressee to fight. . . . The English language has a number of words and expressions which, by general consent, are "fighting words" when said without a disarming smile. . . . [S]uch words, as ordinary men know, are likely to cause a fight. So are threatening, profane or obscene revilings. Derisive and annoying words can be taken as coming within the purview of the statute as heretofore interpreted only when they have this characteristic of plainly tending to excite the addressee to a breach of the peace. . . . The statute, as construed, does no more than prohibit the face-to-face words plainly likely to cause a breach of the peace by the addressee, words whose speaking constitutes a breach of the peace by the speaker -- including "classical fighting words," words in current use less "classical" but equally likely to cause violence, and other disorderly words, including profanity, obscenity and threats.

    We are unable to say that the limited scope of the statute as thus construed contravenes the Constitutional right of free expression. It is a statute narrowly drawn and limited to define and punish specific conduct lying within the domain of state power, the use in a public place of words likely to cause a breach of the peace. Cf. Cantwell v. Connecticut,

    310 U.S. 296 , 311 ; Thornhill v. Alabama, [p*574] 310 U.S. 88 , 105 . This conclusion necessarily disposes of appellant's contention that the statute is so vague and indefinite as to render a conviction thereunder a violation of due process. A statute punishing verbal acts, carefully drawn so as not unduly to impair liberty of expression, is not too vague for a criminal law. Cf. Fox v. Washington 236 U.S. 273, 277. [n8]

    Nor can we say that the application of the statute to the facts disclosed by the record substantially or unreasonably impinges upon the privilege of free speech. Argument is unnecessary to demonstrate that the appellations "damned racketeer" and "damned Fascist" are epithets likely to provoke the average person to retaliation, and thereby cause a breach of the peace.

    The refusal of the state court to admit evidence of provocation and evidence bearing on the truth or falsity of the utterances is open to no Constitutional objection. Whether the facts sought to be proved by such evidence constitute a defense to the charge, or may be shown in mitigation, are questions for the state court to determine. Our function is fulfilled by a determination that the challenged statute, on its face and as applied, doe not contravene the Fourteenth Amendment.

    Affirmed.

    1. See also Bridges v. California, 314 U.S. 252; Cantwell v. Connecticut,

    310 U.S. 296 , 303 ; Thornhill v. Alabama, 310 U.S. 88 , 95 ; Schneider v. State, 308 U.S. 147, 160; De Jonge v. Oregon, 299 U.S. 353 , 364 ; Grosjean v. American Press Co., 297 U.S. 233 , 243 ; Near v. Minnesota, 283 U.S. 697 , 707 ; Stromberg v. California, 283 U.S. 359 , 368 ; Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 , 362 , 371 , 373 ; Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652 , 666 .

    Appellant here pitches his argument on the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

    2. Schenck v. United States,

    249 U.S. 47 ; Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 , 373 (Brandeis, J., concurring); Stromberg v. California, 283 U.S. 359 ; Near v. Minnesota, 283 U.S. 697 ; De Jonge v. Oregon, 299 U.S. 353 ; Herndon v. Lowry, 301 U.S. 242; Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296.

    3. The protection of the First Amendment, mirrored in the Fourteenth, is not limited to the Blackstonian idea that freedom of the press means only freedom from restraint prior to publication. Near v. Minnesota,

    283 U.S. 697 , 714-715

    4. Chafee, Free Speech in the United States (1941), 149.

    5. Chafee, op. cit., 150.

    6. Since the complaint charged appellant only with violating the first provision of the statute, the problem of Stromberg v. California,

    283 U.S. 359 , is not present.

    7. State v. Brown, 68 N.H. 200, 38 A. 731; State v. McConnell, 70 N.H. 294, 47 A. 267.

    8. We do not have here the problem of Lanzetta v. New Jersey, 306 U.S. 451. Even if the interpretative gloss placed on the statute by the court below be disregarded, the statute had been previously construed as intended to preserve the public peace by punishing conduct the direct tendency of which was to provoke the person against whom it was directed to acts of violence. State v. Brown, 68 N.H. 200, 38 A.731 (1894).

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