Complexity, er..no, Simplicity demands a Designer

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  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Life's complexity defies demand for a designer

    08/05/2002

    By TOM SIEGFRIED / The Dallas Morning News

    Life is complicated, and explaining it is more complicated still or so it would seem. Even some religious approaches employ elaborate rationales to explain life's complexity.

    Among the most famous of such religious explanations came from William Paley, the English theologian who deduced God's existence by comparing life to a timepiece.

    If you find a watch on the ground, he wrote in 1802, you can see that it's nothing like a rock. The watch's parts are clearly "put together for a purpose," adjusted to produce "motion so regulated as to point out the hour of the day."

    The inevitable inference, Paley concluded, was "the watch must have a maker ... who comprehended its construction, and designed its use." And so life, full of features with obvious purposes, must also have been designed by some intelligent agent. "Design," Paley wrote, "must have a designer."

    Even today, Paley's argument survives among advocates of "intelligent design" as the source of life's diversity and complexity. But Charles Darwin, who admired Paley's philosophy, reached a different conclusion. Natural selection of the fittest organisms, working without design, could also craft features serving useful purposes for living organisms. Modern science embraced Darwin's solution, as summarized by the British biologist Richard Dawkins: "The analogy between ... watch and living organism is false. ... The only watchmaker in nature is the blind force of physics."

    But can the simple laws of physics really produce devices of such complexity? Surely a watch could not assemble itself from random molecules of metal and plastic. How could nature on its own hope to produce something really complicated, like a human brain?

    The answer, says physicist Stephen Wolfram, is that making a brain is easy. Crafting a timepiece is hard. You need a designer, he says, not to produce complexity, but to ensure simplicity.

    A watch, after all, exhibits nothing like the complexity of life, Dr. Wolfram points out in his recent book, A New Kind of Science. Keeping time requires, above all else, absolutely regular motion to guarantee near-perfect predictability. Complexity introduces deviations from regular motion, rendering a clock worthless. Nature, left to its own devices, produces complexity with wild abandon.

    Dr. Wolfram's conclusions stem from thousands of experiments with simple computer programs. He finds that very simple programs (analogous to the simple laws of physics) generate vast complexity with no "design" at all. So all the complexity in nature, including life, could have appeared naturally through the operation of simple rules or laws.

    "One of the most striking features of the natural world is that across a vast range of physical, biological and other systems we are continually confronted with what seems to be immense complexity," Dr. Wolfram writes. "Throughout most of history it has been taken almost for granted that such complexity being so vastly greater than in the works of humans could only be the work of a supernatural being. But my discovery that many very simple programs produce great complexity immediately suggests a rather different explanation."

    If natural processes merely act like simple computer programs and Dr. Wolfram believes that they do then complexity should appear automatically, with no purpose behind it. Human artifacts, such as watches or other devices designed for particular purposes, do not exhibit similar complexity precisely because they are designed for a specific purpose.

    "The reason that such complexity is not usually seen in human artifacts is just that in building these we tend to use programs that are specially chosen to give only behavior simple enough for us to be able to see that it will achieve the purposes we want," Dr. Wolfram points out.

    Complexity, in other words, is natural, requiring no design. Purpose requires simplicity, and simplicity demands design.

    Dr. Wolfram, therefore, concludes that the complexity of life arises from the natural operation of some simple computer programs underlying the laws of nature. In fact, he believes, most of life's complexity stems from this source, rather than from Darwin's natural selection.

    Of course, most biologists won't buy that part of Dr. Wolfram's program. But his insight nevertheless offers a new context for understanding life's complexity. There is no doubt that genetic "programs" of some sort operate within organisms to guide their development and daily life. Maybe Darwinian natural selection chose some simple programs over others early in life's history.

    In any event, Paley's original inference was rooted in an intuition that Dr. Wolfram's findings have shown to be erroneous.

    "The intuition that if it's complex it had to have a complex process of design ... is a false premise," says Terrence Sejnowski, a neuroscientist familiar with Dr. Wolfram's work. Simple rules can produce vast complexity without any purposeful design at all. Design, in fact such as that of a watch is a hallmark not of the complexity found in life, but of the simplicity found in trinkets and tools.

    Comparing evolution with watchmaking is therefore a doubly false analogy. There is no design or purpose underlying life's complexity, and there is no true complexity in a designed and purposeful watch.

    "Nature may not be a blind watchmaker," says Dr. Sejnowski. "But maybe nature is a blind programmer."


    Tom Siegfried
    Tom Siegfried is a science editor for The Dallas Morning News.
  • Satanus
    Satanus

    That's interesting. Very complex fractals are based on very simple rules.

    Based on this premise, one could pose the question, is the simplifying of nature through the elimination of large numbers of exteraneous species a good thing? Does it make nature serve our purposes better?

    Looking forward to the comments of the evolution heavies on this theory.

    SS

    Edited by - saintsatan on 6 August 2002 2:58:53

  • Bang
    Bang

    I went down the beach and lit a cracker. It went everywhere and did all sorts of things. Who knows what it was going to do or how far it would go. I think it was designed to do that.

    bang

  • Defender
    Defender

    So let me get this. Based on the output of simple computer programs that were DESIGNED AND CREATED, he has come up with the hypothesis that complexity does not need a designer but rather simplicity does.

    "Dr. Wolfram's conclusions stem from thousands of experiments with simple computer programs. He finds that very simple programs (analogous to the simple laws of physics) generate vast complexity with no "design" at all. So all the complexity in nature, including life, could have appeared naturally through the operation of simple rules or laws."

    "Making a brain is easy, but crafting a timepiece is hard"

    Wow! Now I know why my neuro-net IBM Big Blue is not accurately mimmicking a human brain yet. I have been approaching this wrongly all along, I need to brush up on Basic and retrieve from the attic my trusty old Commodore 64.

  • Zechariah
    Zechariah

    I find it beyond comprehension for anyone to buy into the notion that the complexity of a computer and its programming is simpler than that of a watch. Their ridiculous argument is because it allows for variations (evolution) that it is somehow more simple. Anybody who has ever written a computer program no matter how simple knows it requires far more complexity to allow for controlled variation. Here is a simple program as support. Input A; Input B; C = A + B.... The variation would include if A= 2 let B = 4; or if B = 3 let C = 7 ............... Certainly the more controlled variation that exists require more programming complexity and is greater evidence of a intelligent designer. .................. I was inspired with what I consider to be the Ultimate Philosophy of Life. Man as a kind is God's Little Computer People. I understand that our invention of the computer at this significant time in history is no accident. A sign of the time in which we live is a increase of knowledge. This increase is only due to Christs presence in spirit inspiring and providing it as promised Grand Blessings. The computer is the closest thing to Gods own creation of Man. Its inventors were inspired to create these modern technological advances (including the internet) to provide a object lesson to man that he himself is "wonderfully MADE".................. At this unique time in history it is prophecied that all men would know that God (Yahweh) whose name means "He that causes to be" is the Most High (the creator) over all the earth. He through the Christ designed, manufactured, programmed, tested and perfected his Little Computer People just as we have created our inventions. ...................... I plan to shortly delve into my philosophy in greater detail. I could not help but to respond to the ridiculous concept in your post. Its a interesting mental exercise I admit but without merit. ===============Zechariah ===========

    Edited by - zechariah on 6 August 2002 2:47:39

    Edited by - zechariah on 6 August 2002 3:14:28

  • Zechariah
    Zechariah

    Defender....... I really enjoyed your post as I agree 100% with it. I have experienced all the early generation computers including Timex Sinclair; Radio Shack; and of course as you mentioned the Commodore 64. To this day nothing compares to it for game playing. I recently obtained from Ebay auctions Commodore systems for all my grandchildren. I won bids averaging approximately $20 per system including disk drive and sometimes printers. I had stupidly given away my old system and got a another from Ebay. I am deperately searching for a program called "Little Computer People". Do you happen to have it in your attic. I am paying top dollar for it............ Computers more simple than watches indeed.... sheesh.... ========= Zechariah ========

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    Defender said:

    Wow! Now I know why my neuro-net IBM Big Blue is not accurately mimmicking a human brain yet. I have been approaching this wrongly all along. I need to brush up on Basic and retrieve from the attic my trusty old Commodore 64.

    LOL!

    An excellent analogy.

  • Dizzy Cat
    Dizzy Cat

    Not sure about the argument that the C64 games are better than modern day games on more capable systems, but if you want a great C64 site try here (my mate runs it, who is an old C64 games designer) -

    www.64apocalypse.com

    Remember:

    Paradroid

    Gribblys Day Out

    Dropzone

    Impossible Mission

    Toy Bizarre

    Chuckie Egg

    Ahhhh - the sweet memories ... sniff !

  • GentlyFeral
    GentlyFeral
    Maybe Darwinian natural selection chose some simple programs over others early in life's history.

    I think it goes deeper than that. I think natural selection is one of those "simple programs."

    I'd love to read this book. Post-jaydub, I believe that there's really no such thing as simplicity, and that "god is an improviser" or even an amateur -- but I came to this conclusion via religious experiences and layman's observations, rather than rigorous scientific study, at which I suck.

    gently feral

  • Zechariah
    Zechariah

    Thanks Dizzy Cat ...................
    The website you suggested is indeed wonderful including the Discussion board. I will be spending a lot of time there. I am retired now and re-experiencing the C64 with my grandchildren is a greatly enjoyable pasttime for me. =========== Zechariah =========

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