WT Crazy Rulings on SEX and Marriage---

by JT 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • JT
    JT

    A few post over the question was posted about what was the finally straw for you leaving wt and Farkel highlighted all the crazy dogmas of wt and tongue and cheeked commented that he could deal with all those things except the ban on BJ.

    so some of the guys here at work asked me to explain it to them what BAN ON BJ-

    as i was explaining it the issue of remarriaged came up and i found it most interesting how once again wt makes up it's own rules for folks lives.

    Consider this - in Africa- a man can take on multiple wives in many countries since his religion allows him to do so and still have gods approval.

    so when he starts to study the bible with jw he is told that since he has been taught something that is not supported by the bible the taking of multiple wives for christians ( OK Solomon was the first PLAYA on record)

    he must get rid of all his wives and only keep the FIRST one

    since that is the first one that he married and since he married THE other wives on unscriptual basis then he was never really married to them.

    the question /issue that i brought up to show just how WACKY wt is

    you may recall that at one time a sister or bro could divorce and remarry on the grounds of BJ's

    and then the wt came out and i recall this so well

    in the nov 15-88 wt they had the change printed on getting a divorce on the grounds of BJ"s and if anyone has that article

    you may recall that the wt made a MAJOR SHIFT IN DOGMA AND THEY DID IT IN THE FORM OF A FOOTNOTE

    it stated in part-- if anyone got a divorce and remarried under the old BJ rules don't worry about it you are still cool with your new wife or hubby

    now why doesn't wt make jw who got a divorce under the old rules go back to thier first mate

    since according to thier own dogma the divorce on the grounds of BJ was unscriptual to start with

    which means according to wt own dogma anyone who got a divorce on those grounds got a divorce on basically unscriptual grounds
    (yep it was wrong the day it rolled off the press at Walkill)

    according to wt in africa the only real scriptual marriage is the one to the first wife and in fact before a man can get baptized he must go back to the orginal marriage

    it is this type of playing with folks lives that is so sad

    imagine a 2 sisters getting a divorce

    the one sister got her paper work back for her divorce on the grounds of her husband wanting a BJ 2 days before the article arrived in the mail,

    she now free to remarry

    while another sister didnt' get her divorce papers till 2 days after the nov 15,88 came in the mail,

    she is now NO LONGER ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH HER DIVORCE AND REMARRY she now must stay with her husband and if she tries to continue on with the divorce and remarry she will be DFed for Adultry

    the only difference between what both sisters did is 5 days

    once again i explained to my nonjw friends that jw are constantly faced with dogmas that change while folks lives on the line

    think about the bro who got 15yrs in prison for not taking the alternative service job and

    then the next week a bro from the same hall gets to work at the hospital and see his wife and kids every night while the other bro is being shipped to the other side of the country and his family can't afford to go and see him

    all because the wt decided to change the rules in the midddle of the game

    and there are so many other dogmas/rules/policies and etc that could get one DFed and barred from everlasting life that change more often than most men change their "Drawers"

    hey ladies all you got to do is turn your them inside out and you get an extra day like us fellows

    smile

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    Mind-bending, isn't it? I gave up trying to figure out the intricacies of the JW marital puzzle when I heard about a local JW man who enlisted the help of his fellow brothers to spy on his ex-wife (and ex-jw) to make absolutely sure she had committed "adultry". He had a cute young, nubile JW girl waiting in the wings, so was itchin' to get married ASAP, but he had to be scripturally "free" of course. This included late night surveillance (probably photo shots for all I know: not sure what the "ruling" of actual adultry WAS at that time, so pictures would probably be necessary.

    Then there was the very old elder who married the 30ish pioneer: shocked everyone, because last we all knew, his wife was committed to an old-folk's home. How the heck did he get "evidence" of adultry which would free him to marry???? I guess they caught the old lady in the broom closet with an orderly? Maybe she was raped and didn't scream? Marriage must have bene calle on some sort of technicality. Shocked quite a few people, but the elder and his new wife made it clear they married only for "companionship." Maybe they signed a vow of celebacy as part of the deal?

    What an aboluste joke (I remember even thinking then, at those tender years...)

  • JT
    JT

    black sheep

    excellent post

    allow me to share this one with you - last night my wife and i celebrated our 14th of marriage with the lady who used to be jw as well- she read rays' book who introduced us when i was at bethel

    well she left the org her husband remained and was an elder

    after 4yr he got the ITCH and of course he had no wt grounds for a divorce. so he started asking her if she would just confess to adultry so he could remarry, since she was not apart of the congo anyway it would not matter for her- he could let the elders know and if she would write a lettter

    she said HELL NO- so he wrote her pastor and asked if he would talk to her and advise her to confess, for he felt that after all 4 yrs had past she must have been sleeping with someone

    her pastor showed her the letter.

    so my wife just happened to call to ck on her and see how she was doing

    she told my wife - well my wife told me- well being a FORMER SOCIETY MAN i knew how to really shaft my boy.

    so i asked if she had a lawyer that she felt close to who would write a letter for her on his law firm letterhead

    she told me yes

    so i told her make a copy of the letter that he sent to your pastor and have you lawyer write this letter to the wt legal dept.

    in the letter indicate that you will file formal charges of harrassment and staking and slander and on and on,

    state that this man is an elder thereby he is a representive of the wt society and is acting under your direction to seek a so call "Scriptual divorce" he has askd my client to admit to adultry so that he can remarry.

    i told her send it to the legal desk not just wt- this way it will hit the legal dept first, and they will be all up in arms and then it will be transfered to the service dept where they will see that he is an elder, look him up in the database, for his congo, co , ect

    in about 3weeks the shit hit the fan

    they sent a letter with a copy to the co and not the body of elders who were to get the other elders minus him to discuss what to do

    well he got raked across the coals- almost lost his eldership

    he saw his wife in the store later and he could not believe how she dogged him , but he didn;'t understand the system, the wt doesn not let anyone embarrass them

    they sent a letter to the lawyer and it was kind and sweet, but the letter they sent to the co and other elders was like

    "will you take care of this dumbass elder in your hall/circuit"

    you got to love
    it

  • MrMoe
    MrMoe

    Excellent post AND reasoning. I would make additional comments, but it appears you have wrapped it up in a nutshell.


    Kisses,
    Amanda

  • Stealth
    Stealth

    Here is one that I faced and made me go hmmmmmm.

    A couple is divorced without scriptural grounds. Since Gods law is higher than mans law the divorce is not recognized by the congregation and neither the husbond or wife is free to remarry.

    sounds good so far, however,

    The same couple who are not free to get remarried are not allowed to have sex with each other even though they are still married in gods eyes. Why? Because of the divorce by ceasarthat they do not even recognize. If this couple who is still married in gods eyes and not free to remarry have sex with each other they can also be disfellowshiped.

    What a joke, they want it both ways.

    -s

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    I can attest to the fact that it was the Jdubs weird sex policy that led to my marriage break up. Why my ex reported everything back to the elders to make sure it was with in the bounds of "acceptable" WT sexual practices. After a while it was such a turn off to have sex with her when you know she is going to tell all. I think those old farts of elders got off on all the juicy bedroom stuff.

    Will

    "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
    Mark Twain

  • SYN
    SYN

    This stuff just goes to show how wrong the BOrganization is. Thanks for a nice post JT, it's great to see you back again!

    They've been digging in the Euphrates Valley and have uncovered a layer of agrarian culture 8,000 years old, and an older caveman culture. Recently, they reached another layer of fused green glass.

  • Fredhall
    Fredhall

    Sex is older than marriage itself. So who should decide who is right or wrong of how a couple should do it?

  • airwlk149
    airwlk149

    when my mom was married to her first husband, who turned out to be a loon and he wasn't a jdub, my mom went back to the "truth".
    she told her elders what was up and they asked her to call his house at night. well she did and a female picked up the phone and they told my mom that she could divorce and be free to remarry, because "they don't go looking through windows anymore to see if someone is cheating".
    well, 23 years later my sister is married to a loon and hates his guts BUT he IS a witness. she moved back out here to ca from fla, and when she called him at 3 in the morning to talk a female picked up the phone. but this time when my sister told the elders (the same elders that "helped" my mom) they said that she can't prove he cheated on her just because a female picked up the phone.
    i think that is DOUBLE STANDARDS!
    whatever
    jehovah's witnesses are LOSERS

  • JT
    JT

    If this couple who is still married in gods eyes and not free to remarry have sex with each other they can also be disfellowshiped
    ########

    in alexandria va a elder stepped aside some of you may know him his name is on the jw video on the Nazi concentration camp and the washington dc holocost center he was the point man for the society on setting up the little section on jw. Robert (bob) Bu%^$##@

    anyway he spent so much time flying back and forth to ny and germany that he was getting dogged locally as an elder and his wife just couldn't take it anymore

    so she quietly filed for divorce, not like it was announced and everyone knew about it in fact only a couple of elders AT FIRST-

    ANYWAY THEY divorce,but he didn't have any where to go so he slept down stairs and she up stairs and no sex , they just had these temp arrangement

    well the CO go word of it and threaten to df both of them since they now were technically SHACKING UP- SMILE

    AND HE decided to give up being an elder, but it was so funny how the week b4 they were a married couple with 20=yrs in good standing , nowa divorce couple all the neighbors still thought of course that they were married, but as wt says they were living in sin

    you got to love

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