Alpha and Omega, Knowing the end from the start

by Celtic 7 Replies latest jw friends

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  Celtic

  God.

  Ummmmmmmm He puzzles me. Being the Alpha and the Omega, knowing the beginning from the end and being absolutely perfect too, one is left to ponder from my puny bunch of atoms, what was going on in His mind when He made things so.

  If you are God and you wanted to give everyone freewill, why create a conumdrum of paradoxical experience for your followers to follow? Why not simply do everything some other way, that still allows for the perfection plus the freewill? Whats the point of all this suffering, its not our problem down here is it?

  Surely in doing so, He must have known that He wasn't exactly going to put Himself into the best possible light and acceptance with everyone and yet with this knowledge He still created through love even knowing still that we were all going to have much pain in our lives and numerous discomforts.

  Does anyone else find the ultimate questions and answers to life a tad odd at times?

  Thank goodness for english tea, at least thats one thing he got right.

  Sorry God, but you got to see what I mean otherwise all is a paradoxical impossibility.

  Any simple views on the ultimate questions affiliated with the beginning?

  Please no bible bashers or in your face ott christian perspectives.

  Any cosmologists and quamtum theorists or metaphysical musers here?

  Peace and whotnot

  Celtic
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  AGuest

  Hello, dear Celtic... and may you have peace!

  I have been granted by the spirit of my Father, JAH OF ARMIES, by means of His Son and Christ, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, to respond, if you will permit me. Thank you.

  If you are God and you wanted to give everyone freewill, why create a conumdrum of paradoxical experience for your followers to follow?

  Because you would only want those who choose to use such 'freewill' to SEEK you to FIND you... or rather, be found BY you. Those who choose to use such 'freewill' to seek other things, including their own will and even other gods, are 'free' to seek such things, and 'find'... or be found BY... such things.

  Why not simply do everything some other way, that still allows for the perfection plus the freewill?

  Because not all WANT 'perfection'. Contrary to popular belief, there ARE those who like... and WANT... what is bad. Truly, there is. Hard to believe, but that is the truth. And God allows us to seek whatever it is that WE want... whether it be Him... or not.

  Whats the point of all this suffering, its not our problem down here is it?

  If by "down here" you mean earth and the physical realm, you must realize that this is the realm that is 'outside' the kingdom of God. And there are those here who LOVE it here. They "have their minds on the things upon the earth." This is the only place they WANT to go! Proof? There are over 6 million Jehovah's Witnesses, yes? If you were to ask EACH AND EVERY ONE... how many of them would say that WANT to 'go to heaven' (enter the kingdom)? How many of them would say they WANT... to stay on earth... in the physical form... the flesh? I think the latter FAR outweighs the former, yes?

  Folks WANT to be here, Celtic, even WITH the world like it is. MOST, in fact, do. My Father is only allowing them to have what THEY 'wish' for, like any good Father. It is MAN'S will that the earth is what it is, not God's. But, it is God that gets the blame.
  He is damned for LETTING man exercise his 'freewill'... and would be damned if He DIDN'T. Yes? Yes.

  You are blaming the wrong 'god', dear Celtic, and entirely letting man... "who dominates man to HIS injury"... off the hook.

  I bid you peace.

  A slave of Christ,

  SJ
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  Celtic

  Although your view may have validity Aguest, please go read the above question again, especially the reference to ott christian perspectives.

  Cheers

  Mark

  PS And pardon me? Blame? I was just asking questions. Thanks for your preassuming my motives and intention though.
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  AGuest

  Perhaps I did misunderstand you, Celtic (and may you have peace), but I am not sure how. I quoted your "questions", which seemed pretty clear, so as to show exactly what I was responding to.

  And yes, unfortunately, you ARE laying blame, dear one. Whether you 'see' it... or not.

  Again, I bid you peace.

  YOUR servant, and a slave of Christ,

  SJ
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  Celtic

  Oh I am am I, and how might that be, oh I forgot, you were compelled to write your answer compelled from a voice in your head, ummmmmmm I worry for you my friend in making these judgements.

  Listen, from one idiot to another, the question was nothing to do with blame, it was a question from a questioning mind that is all. Nowt else.

  And Aguest, since you don't know me at all, how do you know me better than I know myself?

  Live up to the peace your proclaiming but don't ram your opinion down my throat k.

  Peace

  Mark
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  refiners fire

  to this thought....
  It appears the VAST MAJORITY are not interested in seeking God out.
  Most people I know are interested only in beer, sex, and music, having a good time.
  They hardly ever THINK about the God question.
  And that is OUR curse (celtic, yours and mine).We are neither twixt nor twain. Our experience in the dubs robbed us of the capacity for the ordinary pleasures of ordinary life. While we are constantly torn between a desire to find God and the desire to have the ordinary life we missed out on.
  That is the question that plagues me.
  Why has this happened to ME?
  Why couldnt I just be an ordinary, content, beer swilling, bonking, moron like everyone else?
  I can be neither the Devils nor Gods.
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  Carmel

  Metaphorically speaking, I guess the shoe doesn't shine unless you rub some bat guano and spit on it! The real polish comes form the buffing! Doesn't answer a thing, does it?

  carmel
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  AGuest

  Dearest Celtic... peace to you, still!

  Okay, let's have a look -

  You asked:

  Oh I am am I, and how might that be...

  In answer, I quote you again, wherein you said/asked:

  Whats the point of all this suffering, its not our problem down here is it?

  Your question "its not our problem down here, is it?" implies that it is SOMEONE'S "problem", and, therefore, someone's fault. Since you have only mentioned "us" (i.e., not "our" problem), and Him... and you indicate "not" with regard to "us", you are implying that it is HIS "problem". And implying that it is HIS problem, you are also implying, then, that it is His fault... and, therefore, He is to blame.

  Now, I now know that you may not have MEANT to imply that, did not INTEND to, but based on what you SAID... you did. Sorry.

  oh I forgot, you were compelled to write your answer compelled from a voice in your head, ummmmmmm I worry for you my friend in making these judgements.

  No, the 'voice'... is in my HEART. It is there that I 'hear' it. So... not to worry.

  Listen, from one idiot to another...

  Ouch! That hurt, for I consider neither one of us idiots. It is simply that one of us (you) is misinformed/misled, and the other (me) is simply trying to do what anyone else who loved such one would do... redirect. That's it; that's all.

  the question was nothing to do with blame

  Well, no, not all of them did, no. It appears that one did, however. But, well, as I said, perhaps I misunderstood.

  it was a question from a questioning mind that is all. Nowt else.

  Cool! May I ask then, why when one asks a question and as a result one receives an ANSWER (the solicitation of which one implies when asking a question, unless one makes a disclaimer that such question is rhetorical...), does one wish to be offended?

  If the 'tone' or 'manner' of my answer offended, I SINCERELY apologize and digress... in sackcloth and ashes. However, there was not disclaimer as to how any answer should be formatted, and, therefore, I simply spoke... as I heard.

  And Aguest, since you don't know me at all, how do you know me better than I know myself?

  You are correct: I do not know you at all. However, there is One that knows both you... AND me... and yes, better than we know ourselves. Indeed.

  Live up to the peace your proclaiming but don't ram your opinion down my throat k.

  Okay. Again, I apologize and digress... in sackcloth and ashes... for offending you... by speaking the truth. It was not MY intention to "ram" anything anywhere. But, we both now know that intentions can be misunderstood, yes?

  Peace

  Of course... and I receive it joyfully! May you, too, have peace!

  Your servant and a slave of Christ,

  SJ