Two views of "Basic Doctrine"

by JeffT 5 Replies latest jw friends

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    Basic Doctrines

    The other night a passage in “In Search of Christian Freedom” caught my eye. After discussing how the Watchtower targets certain doctrinal matters in the earlier stages of its bible study program for new converts, Franz makes this observation:
    “Remarkably, most Witnesses are so impressed by these initially targeted teachings about the soul’s mortality, hell’s being synonymous with the grave or the death state, and similar points that they think and speak of them as the ‘basic doctrines’ of the Scriptures, teachings forming the principal criteria for identifying the one, true religion.

    “Yet one cannot find in the Bible even one chapter devoted to a discussion of such subjects.” (page 419)

    I agree with this statement. For many years as a Witnesses I congratulated myself about having the “truth” on these and a few other subjects. I still see some on these boards referring to these as “basic doctrines.”

    If one asked a mainstream Christian what belief is most central to his religion, you will get an entirely different answer. In fact I don’t even think these are the basic doctrine of being a JW, but will get to that in moment.

    From a Christian perspective the central doctrine of the Bible is that God, in the person of Jesus, came to Earth to live among us, experience humanity; and die on the cross, taking all of our sins upon Himself.

    This simple and powerful message is lost entirely to the adherents of the Watchtower because the central doctrine of Jehovah’s Witnesses is that God raised up a publishing corporation to be His representative on Earth. Although the Watchtower gives lip service to the notion that Jesus is the head of the congregation, in actual practice the center of power is Bethel. Jehovah’s Witnesses practice an essentially Old Testament religion, and as such the role of Jesus is subordinated to that of the Earthly organization. This is why all matters pertaining to the Watchtower eventually come down to policy, not Scripture.

  • Cygnus
    Cygnus

    Well, biblically, I think the JWs do have an awful lot right.

    However, when pressed about their basic beliefs, most dubs will invariably respond, "No trinity, no hell, no immortal soul NO THIS NO THAT NO THE OTHER THING.....!"

    The JWs thrive on denying the beliefs of others.

  • libra_spirit
    libra_spirit

    The JW's have almost nothing right!
    Think about this one.
    What is the Holy Spirit?
    The JW's tell me it is like electric current, a mindless force.
    What is the unforgivable sin?
    Sinning against the Holy Spirit.
    My conclusion, the JW's teach that the only unforgivable sin is that of sinning against an impersonal electric like force.

    Nothing could be more warped then thier views of the Holy Spirit, which at every turn they deny to be anything real or important. Almost none of them today are annointed in this Holy Spirit, and almost all of them deny it at every turn. If anyone manifests the Holy Spirit they are stamped as demonized. Imagine the laying on of hands healing someone, either in emotions or in the physical. What would the JW's say about this......they have turned Gods Holy Spirit into something evil and powerless, to be feard!

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Hi Jeff,
    If i had been asked that question in the old days, i would have said that the basic doctrine was the restoration of Heavenly rule by the Kingdom. Thus bringing all things on heaven and earth into harmonious unity.
    Its funny how it all comes back!
    It is true though ,as Ray Franz said, how little can be specifically taken from scripture without applying something and deducing something from it. When all is boiled down , the basic Christian message left can be found in the sentances you have given us.

    Not sure about God & jesus being one though. There are too many scriptures that say different . I think the Witnesses have a correct teaching on that one.

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Well,

    I would say the nature of god and the nature of life are pretty basic topics when talking about religion or philosophy.

    Is God a trinity? What is his personality? Is Jesus God? Those seem to be preliminary to discussing other things.

    Do we have an immortal soul? What is our destiny as humans? Again very basic questions.

    Other than the first few chapters of Genesis which deal with the origin of man, the next 38 9/10 books of the Bible tell the prehistory of the Hebrew nation and foretell its future. Is that the theme of the Bible? Without the concept of type and antitype (which is not mentioned in the Bible) it would appear that it is at least the theme of the Hebrew Scriptures.

    Then we have 4 books that tell the story of Jesus and then 20 or so books where Paul tells Christians how to behave.

    Do you decide what the theme of the Bible is by counting the number of scriptures on each subject?

    Joel

  • Bang
    Bang

    The basic doctrines of the WT seem to be --

    "Do as we say, and you'll get things and you won't have to work anymore."

    "Your lucky to be in our company because God is going to kill everyone else who aren't 'wise' like we are, isn't He lovely?"

    "Everything that's going wrong in the world is all those other wicked people's fault, but the world will end soon and they'll cop it, so then, aren't we full of love - can't you see it?"

    And my favourite - "Clean clothes bring you honour".

    Whereas the basic doctrine of christendom seems to be what Christ said - "Do the same as the Samaritan".

    Bang

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