Ex-JW Baloney Detection Kit

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  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    I've been busy moving today but enjoyed reading the debates over evolution vs. creationsism. What I thought of when reading all this is that ex-dubs are in a desperate need for baloney detectors. The Borganization has kept the average Witness in the dark so long that when they come out they seldom have the skills or knowledge to see past their own conceptual reality. People who have taken the effort and time to study the sciences, and there are several on this board who have done just this, find it frustrating at times to watch posters just chase their own tails around without being able to prove their point.

    I offer then a short review of the important things to consider when you are trying to determine if a complex issue is correct or if someone is trying to sell you a pile of baloney.

    The following two part article comes from the November and December issues of Scientific American Magazine. The author is Michael Shermer and he is the founding publisher of Skeptic magazine.

    The links can be found at:
    . http://130.94.24.217/2001/1101issue/1101skeptic.html#author
    . http://130.94.24.217/2001/1201issue/1201skeptic.html

    Because these are important tools, I copied the article below for your review and consideration...

    Skipper

    How to draw boundaries between science and pseudoscience, Part I

    By MICHAEL SHERMER
    ...........

    When lecturing on science and pseudoscience at colleges and universities, I am inevitably asked, after challenging common beliefs held by many students, "Why should we believe you?" My answer: "You shouldn't."

    I then explain that we need to check things out for ourselves and, short of that, at least to ask basic questions that get to the heart of the validity of any claim. This is what I call baloney detection, in deference to Carl Sagan, who coined the phrase "Baloney Detection Kit." To detect baloney--that is, to help discriminate between science and pseudoscience--I suggest 10 questions to ask when encountering any claim.

    1. How reliable is the source of the claim?
    Pseudoscientists often appear quite reliable, but when examined closely, the facts and figures they cite are distorted, taken out of context or occasionally even fabricated. Of course, everyone makes some mistakes. And as historian of science Daniel Kevles showed so effectively in his book The Baltimore Affair, it can be hard to detect a fraudulent signal within the background noise of sloppiness that is a normal part of the scientific process. The question is, Do the data and interpretations show signs of intentional distortion? When an independent committee established to investigate potential fraud scrutinized a set of research notes in Nobel laureate David Baltimore's laboratory, it revealed a surprising number of mistakes. Baltimore was exonerated because his lab's mistakes were random and nondirectional.

    2. Does this source often make similar claims?
    Pseudoscientists have a habit of going well beyond the facts. Flood geologists (creationists who believe that Noah's flood can account for many of the earth's geologic formations) consistently make outrageous claims that bear no relation to geological science. Of course, some great thinkers do frequently go beyond the data in their creative speculations. Thomas Gold of Cornell University is notorious for his radical ideas, but he has been right often enough that other scientists listen to what he has to say. Gold proposes, for example, that oil is not a fossil fuel at all but the by-product of a deep, hot biosphere (microorganisms living at unexpected depths within the crust). Hardly any earth scientists with whom I have spoken think Gold is right, yet they do not consider him a crank. Watch out for a pattern of fringe thinking that consistently ignores or distorts data.

    3. Have the claims been verified by another source?
    Typically pseudoscientists make statements that are unverified or verified only by a source within their own belief circle. We must ask, Who is checking the claims, and even who is checking the checkers? The biggest problem with the cold fusion debacle, for instance, was not that Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischman were wrong. It was that they announced their spectacular discovery at a press conference before other laboratories verified it. Worse, when cold fusion was not replicated, they continued to cling to their claim. Outside verification is crucial to good science.

    4. How does the claim fit with what we know about how the world works?
    An extraordinary claim must be placed into a larger context to see how it fits. When people claim that the Egyptian pyramids and the Sphinx were built more than 10,000 years ago by an unknown, advanced race, they are not presenting any context for that earlier civilization. Where are the rest of the artifacts of those people? Where are their works of art, their weapons, their clothing, their tools, their trash? Archaeology simply does not operate this way.

    5. Has anyone gone out of the way to disprove the claim, or has only supportive evidence been sought?
    This is the confirmation bias, or the tendency to seek confirmatory evidence and to reject or ignore disconfirmatory evidence. The confirmation bias is powerful, pervasive and almost impossible for any of us to avoid. It is why the methods of science that emphasize checking and rechecking, verification and replication, and especially attempts to falsify a claim, are so critical.

    More Baloney Detection
    How to draw boundaries between science and pseudoscience, Part II

    By MICHAEL SHERMER
    ...........

    When exploring the borderlands of science, we often face a "boundary problem" of where to draw the line between science and pseudoscience. The boundary is the line of demarcation between geographies of knowledge, the border defining countries of claims. Knowledge sets are fuzzier entities than countries, however, and their edges are blurry. It is not always clear where to draw the line. Last month I suggested five questions to ask about a claim to determine whether it is legitimate or baloney. Continuing with the baloney-detection questions, we see that in the process we are also helping to solve the boundary problem of where to place a claim.

    6. Does the preponderance of evidence point to the claimant's conclusion or to a different one?
    The theory of evolution, for example, is proved through a convergence of evidence from a number of independent lines of inquiry. No one fossil, no one piece of biological or paleontological evidence has "evolution" written on it; instead tens of thousands of evidentiary bits add up to a story of the evolution of life. Creationists conveniently ignore this confluence, focusing instead on trivial anomalies or currently unexplained phenomena in the history of life.

    7. Is the claimant employing the accepted rules of reason and tools of research, or have these been abandoned in favor of others that lead to the desired conclusion?
    A clear distinction can be made between SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) scientists and UFOlogists. SETI scientists begin with the null hypothesis that ETIs do not exist and that they must provide concrete evidence before making the extraordinary claim that we are not alone in the universe. UFOlogists begin with the positive hypothesis that ETIs exist and have visited us, then employ questionable research techniques to support that belief, such as hypnotic regression (revelations of abduction experiences), anecdotal reasoning (countless stories of UFO sightings), conspiratorial thinking (governmental cover-ups of alien encounters), low-quality visual evidence (blurry photographs and grainy videos), and anomalistic thinking (atmospheric anomalies and visual misperceptions by eyewitnesses).

    8. Is the claimant providing an explanation for the observed phenomena or merely denying the existing explanation?
    This is a classic debate strategy--criticize your opponent and never affirm what you believe to avoid criticism. It is next to impossible to get creationists to offer an explanation for life (other than "God did it"). Intelligent Design (ID) creationists have done no better, picking away at weaknesses in scientific explanations for difficult problems and offering in their stead "ID did it." This stratagem is unacceptable in science.

    9. If the claimant proffers a new explanation, does it account for as many phenomena as the old explanation did?
    Many HIV/AIDS skeptics argue that lifestyle causes AIDS. Yet their alternative theory does not explain nearly as much of the data as the HIV theory does. To make their argument, they must ignore the diverse evidence in support of HIV as the causal vector in AIDS while ignoring the significant correlation between the rise in AIDS among hemophiliacs shortly after HIV was inadvertently introduced into the blood supply.

    10. Do the claimant's personal beliefs and biases drive the conclusions, or vice versa?
    All scientists hold social, political and ideological beliefs that could potentially slant their interpretations of the data, but how do those biases and beliefs affect their research in practice? Usually during the peer-review system, such biases and beliefs are rooted out, or the paper or book is rejected.

    Clearly, there are no foolproof methods of detecting baloney or drawing the boundary between science and pseudoscience. Yet there is a solution: science deals in fuzzy fractions of certainties and uncertainties, where evolution and big bang cosmology may be assigned a 0.9 probability of being true, and creationism and UFOs a 0.1 probability of being true. In between are borderland claims: we might assign superstring theory a 0.7 and cryonics a 0.2. In all cases, we remain open-minded and flexible, willing to reconsider our assessments as new evidence arises. This is, undeniably, what makes science so fleeting and frustrating to many people; it is, at the same time, what makes science the most glorious product of the human mind.

  • larc
    larc

    MindChild,

    Thank you for posting these criteria. I think those of us who have had some education and research experience take these tenets for granted, and get frustrated when these basics must be explained.

    I spent considerable time with one poster who asserted that some scientists state theories and don't take into account facts. I pointed out that some crack pot might do this, but not a main stream scientist. I explained the peer review process. I think he finally got it.

    I think another concept that should be considered and this is Ockem's razor, the law of parsimony. This principle states that usually (not always) the simplest explaination is usually correct. Evolution, though complex, is a simpler explaination than having God intervene billions of times creating unique species.

    I would apply this concept to the topics of demons, ghosts, esp, etc. Look for a physical cause before accepting the more complicated and less likely theory that spirits and strange unmeasurable energy sources are involved.

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    mindchild,
    That's some good stuff I like this one as well as others:

    5. Has anyone gone out of the way to disprove the claim, or has only supportive evidence been sought?
    This is the confirmation bias, or the tendency to seek confirmatory evidence and to reject or ignore disconfirmatory evidence. The confirmation bias is powerful, pervasive and almost impossible for any of us to avoid. It is why the methods of science that emphasize checking and rechecking, verification and replication, and especially attempts to falsify a claim, are so critical.

    Why do some propose their theories(or the theories they accept) as the only logical conclusion, is it because they are seeking only confirmation evidence and have bias, but need to be more subjective?

    Wouldn't alternatives need to be given a little more fairer treatment.

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • larc
    larc

    D W,

    For the answer to your question, read the last sentence of the quote you provided.

    On another thread, I explained to you the peer review process in science. Let me give you a specific example. At present, I am conducting research on the correct method for determining the accuracy of human judgement. My conclusions are different that the standard methodology that has been used for the last hundred years. It is up to me to prove my theory. I have found confirmation in one sample of judges. I replicated the results with a second sample. and cross validated the scoring differences across the two samples. I have sent a letter to other researchers to reanalyze their raw data with different samples using a different judgement task than I used. In other words, my theoretical position will have to have strong empirical suport, before my theory is accepted. That is how science works.

    I did not get my idea on a whim, nor did I discount other ideas. In fact, I reviewed similiar research before embarking on my research.

  • larc
    larc

    MindChild,

    While I am here, I might mention that I used this kind of investigative process in a thread to You Know, where I fully disconfirmed the economic theory of LaRouche. I don't know if you have seen it, but the thread is entitled, Bad News for You Know. It is still a work in progress, because I more facts to present to discomfirm the theory. I would be interested in your comments or feedback on that thread.

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    larc,

    Do you mean this:

    . The confirmation bias is powerful...That is why the methods of science that emphasize checking and rechecking, verification and replication, and especially attempts to falsify a claim, are so critical.
    What that says to me is that scientist
    are human and need this checking system to keep them from being biased on theories they have lached onto, because human nature being what it is we have a tendancy to get emotionally involved no matter if we are a scientist or layperson.
    The less emotionally invovled or attached to a theory the better our chances at moving on or getting closer to the truth about a given set of facts and to what conclusions they lead us.
    So if we try to be unbiased and open to other possible conclusions which may be equally plausible, the better, or more probable our search will lead us to better(only better)understanding, it may not to the abosute truth,that depends on other limitations at the time of our investigation.
    But as the writer of the above quote brings out we need to question and verify.
    The questioner in my Opinon does not need to provide alternative theories to the theory that he questions in order for his questions to have any validity. All he has to have is questions that are relevent.
    If someone then tries to dismiss his question with a weak argument or "adhominem", could that be a sign of "confirmaton bias"?(To emotionally involved to reason fairly.)(on his part)

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    Hi Lark and Wiltshire,

    Lark, you asked me for my view of the posts in the Bad News For You Know actually I have been thinking about making a post about that thread in general but really haven't had time to do a proper job of it. Just a few comments here but no real depth as I'm traveling right now and I hate using this laptop to type with

    While you may have done a good job in arguing your point, I think there is something rather interesting hidden underneath the surface of You Know's "latching" on to expert ideas that match his own paradigms. In short, it is not just one or two economists that are predicting bad times, gloom and doom, and dire consequences but many different economists are locked into this perspective. Now, regardless of the fact that this seems to lend support to You Know, there is a huge fundamental mistake these economists and You Know are making. This mistake is trying to predict highly focused and precise behavior for a specific time or date.

    It reminds me much of scientists in my own field (geophysics) that have had a miserable record in predicting earthquakes and it is very embarassing but we do understand the phenomena and factors that are invovled but predicting complex behaivor in dynamic and unstable systems is impossible. This doesn't mean we are ignorant about the physics just that many critical state systems do not lend themselves to prediciton. It is amazing though that we can see a well defined power law relationship in just about every critical state system. The power law relationship exists in the economic trends, earthquakes, climate models, and other physical and social systems. In earthquakes for example, the bigger the earthquake in one location, the longer it will be before there is another one in that area. You can look at the mathematic scales and see the patterns very clearly.

    So, at best economists and scientists can only show us the trends and possibility matrixes for circumstances. It is thus wise to consider that there is a potential chance of a complete economic collapse happening right out of the blue, even in good economic times, because of the interaction of many unknowns.

    Wilshire, your observations about the scientific system are something I bitched and moaned about way back in my college days and many people did the same thing prior to that. Scientists are all too human and play little power games and have ego trips just like fundies do. It is not a perfect world by any means. But let me ask you how you feel about this hypothetical situation:

    Let's pretend you want to buy a new car. The car of your dreams for this example is a BMW. You have read up on BMW's and talked to many people about them, and you think highly of them. You save your pennies and eventually have enough to make a down payment and off you go to the dealership. Just your bad luck though, is that the only dealership in town has a bunch of jerks working there. They treat you rudely when you walk in the door, they are fighting over who gets you for their customer, some salesmen are trying to get you to buy a model you don't want, and others won't give you the time of day. You are really frustrated with this dealership, but hey it is the only one in town! You have the option of walking out the door and forgetting your dream or you can try to minimize the distractions and problems to get where you want to be.

    Well science is a lot like this, the end result is a very fine product, a remarkable tool that enables us to make predictions and understand reality better than anything else, religion included. Yes, there are people who are close minded and don't want to look at other theories, there is a certain amount of ego and emotional investment involved, there is also money issues...scientists have to go where there is funding and that often means playing by other men's memes. Yes, things could be better but after awhile, you learn to work in the system and learn what you can and cannot get away with. The main thing is to be conservative because this game plan offers the most rewards. If everyone immediately dropped their theories in favor of the latest ideas, very little serious work would get done.

    I highly recommend you read Kuhn's seminal book, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions which will give you an amazing insight to the human nature of science and how it really works. Here is a link that allows you to read a few pages out of the book:
    . http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/us/kuhn.htm

    Adios,

    Skipper

  • larc
    larc

    MindChild,

    Regarding LaRouche, You Know's messiah, he is the only one that has postulated that we have had a 2% per annum decrease in productivity since 1967. The proposition is a most fundemental underpinning of his theory. No other economist believes this. Not only is he wrong in amount of change, but he is wrong in the direction of change. We have doubled our productivity, not cut it in half. Now, how further off can one be??? I have presented substantial evidence to show the foolishness of this idea. Whether our economy goes north or south in the next year, will have nothing to with LaRouch's theory, as it is clearly wrong. The man is a quack.

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    Mindchild,

    I'm not putting down science I realize the many things that have been discovered that add to our better understanding of our universe.
    I don't reject evolution I just feel that many put too much faith in the theories that,((let me qualify),(not all theories))have weak spots that require leaps of faith.
    People can beleive what they want, but it you teach it as proven fact, that is misleading.
    I know of these problems that scientist have to work with and I applaud them for their hard work.But you must agree that to try to pass something as a written in stone fact can be very misleading to the average person, that's one reason why I question.

    The vast complexity of all the life on earth fills me with awe. The more science learns of these things, and explains, the more awe I feel.
    I think there must be something to this evolution theory since scientist are continually making new finds that add to the validity of the theory.
    But I don't buy the whole (popular)theory of evolution. When I say popular I mean there are variations of the theory, don't scientist have different version of what they concider to have occured?
    If that is the case it is premature to say "case closed".

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • larc
    larc

    DW,

    Would you rather have people constantly use disclaimers? Based on what we know now, the earth is round. Based on what we know now, the planets travel in elipical orbits around the sun. Base on what we know now, evolution is the best framework for understanding the tens of thousands of facts we have accumulated. Is that better?

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