Barbara's CD, the Three Year Rule & Pedophile Brothers. My comments.

by Seeker4 36 Replies latest jw friends

  • Seeker4
    Seeker4

    OK, I had initially intended on commenting on two things in Barbara's commentary in another thread, that combined, make for an interesting scenario for JW pedophiles - then I was distracted by a question from Purps, and decided I'd use this comment to start a new thread. That is a hell of an avatar pic, by the way, Purp. If you're half as cute as that smile you're wearing, you must be quiet a heartbreaker! And what kind of a name is Purplesofa?? Why not Browncouch? Or Stainedsettee?? Lavenderloveseat???

    Anyway - there is this interesting situation of the "three year rule," the "evidence" of Jehovah's forgiveness, and JW pedophiles that Barbara mentions on the CD.

    A brother can have committed a serious sin, and if it's been a few years, and the brother's life gives evidence that he's been forgiven by Jehovah, the elders don't necessarily have to be told about the sin, and if they are, they don't necessarily have to deal with it. Barbara discusses this "three year rule" in her commentary, and I remember well when it first came out in WTS literature.

    So, we have this kind of scenario: A beloved elder is accused of sexually touching a child. It is years later, when they have the maturity and the courage, that the now adult victim tells the elders. The pedophile elder then admits that, in a moment of weakness, he was inappropriate with the child, but he was deeply troubled and it never happened again. He's asked Jehovah for forgiveness. The body looks at his record of years of faithful service, assembly parts, auxiliary pioneering, etc., and all they see is evidence of the Holy Spirit in his life. Obviously, in their eyes, Jehovah has forgiven him. Considering it has been years since the abuse, and he's produced such good fruits, the elders can just let sleeping dogs lie. (Pun intended!)

    What's wrong with this scenario? The elders assume that the good conduct and seeming blessings the pedophile elder has in his life are evidence of Jehovah's forgiveness and blessing - when the reality is that anyone can behave in such a way as to seem to be blessed by god. He's got some social skills, so he gives good talks. He's smart so he can give what sounds like righteous counsel to those in need. He puts down 15 to 20 hours a month on his time report no matter what, so he seems to be doing better that way than most of the rest of the elders. He kisses ass and has some ability, so he gets privileges. He's a model elder in so many ways.

    In other words, anyone can create the circumstances in their life that makes it look like they are god's special little darling in the eyes of JW elders who think that anyone wicked like a true pedophile would end up being revealed to the congregation by Jehovah. The elders are trusting in the help of someone - Jehovah - and something - the Holy Spirit - which aren't really there!

    So a clever pedophile, especially one who could move from congregation to congregation every few years (which in itself could be looked at as an example of his spirituality - "see, he's always moving to help out a new congregation!!"), could in fact have abused dozens or hundreds of children over the years. If here and there some child or former victim comes forward, he can use the three year rule, his contriteness and evidence of forgiveness, and what body of elders wouldn't fooled by the "evidence" that this elder has holy spirit in his life.

    The sad thing is that this is not just a hypothetical - these sort of situations actually happened.

    These are some of my thoughts about the evidence that Barbara discovered in the court documents.

    S4

  • ex-nj-jw
    ex-nj-jw

    If these elders were spirit guided - they would be out of the JW cult a long time ago!

    I'm still working on the CD - I have to take small bites, it's amazing that this stuff really happend. Not that I ever doubted it. Seeing and reading is just soooo overwhelming!!!!!

    nj

    Have I said thank you to Barbara Anderson and all her who helped her??? If not, THANK YOU!

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    What's wrong with this scenario? - --- assume good conduct - --- seeming blessings the pedophile elder has in his life are evidence of Jehovah's forgiveness and blessing - when the reality is that anyone can behave in such a way as to seem to be blessed by god. - -- He's a model elder in so many ways. In other words, anyone can create the circumstances in their life that makes it look like they are god's special little darling in the eyes of JW elders who think that anyone wicked like a true pedophile would end up being revealed by HS

    So a clever pedophile, especially one who could move from congregation to congregation

    THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE CRUX and an excellent point - PEDOPHILES are known to be very devious and patient in getting to their victim - so that is exactly what a pedophile elder could do - be very devious and be a "model" elder

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Seeker,

    So, we have this kind of scenario: A beloved elder is accused of sexually touching a child. It is years later, when they have the maturity and the courage, that the now adult victim tells the elders. The pedophile elder then admits that, in a moment of weakness, he was inappropriate with the child, but he was deeply troubled and it never happened again. He's asked Jehovah for forgiveness. The body looks at his record of years of faithful service, assembly parts, auxiliary pioneering, etc., and all they see is evidence of the Holy Spirit in his life. Obviously, in their eyes, Jehovah has forgiven him. Considering it has been years since the abuse, and he's produced such good fruits, the elders can just let sleeping dogs lie.

    This no longer happens. In recent years the way the WTS handles elders and in fact any publisher who has been accused and had proved against them a case of abuse is put on a list and their names sent to Headquarters. A file with these names is kept by the Secretary in each congregation as well.

    They can never be used in a position of authority at any level any longer, amd if they are serving elders they are removed as such. This of of course not as a reaction by the WTS in repulsion at this dreadful outrage, but to protect the corporation against future legal issues. If we all remember that the interests of the Organization come before justice, truth, honor and humanity we will understand their thinking quite clearly.

    All to little too late, but it is the closest that any survivors will get to "justice", apart of course from nailing the WTS in the courts, as has happened recently.

    Cheers - HS

  • minimus
    minimus

    There's no evidence of pedos just stopping their molesting. Ask the Catholic Church. So this scenario of the elder is far fetched.

  • Seeker4
    Seeker4

    HS: Yeah, I was still in when that change took place. Do you know if it has been somewhat distilled? I started a thread on here a week or so ago about the elders calling me maybe 10 years ago asking if I would be upset if my son's abuser were appointed as a servant. You can probably find the thread easily.

    The scenario I wrote about, though, was in place for many years, perhaps close to 20, and I think it led to some serious problems, as Barbara mentions.

    stilla: (Lovely avatar, by the way. You know how to pick them!) Yes. We tend to think of child abusers as these lechers hanging around playgrounds with trenchcoats and three day stubble. Far from it. They are often shy and kind, likeable, vulnerable, avuncular - quite the opposite of what one would assume. One of the most likeable, spiritual brothers I knew, he was an elder and the assembly overseer from one of my earliest circuits, turned out to have been screwing LOTS of little girls in his congregation in the Ballston Spa, NY area in the 1970s. It was a scandalous case and made the headlines, for sure. I'll post his name if I can remember it. This was a brother everyone thought was an angel on earth.

    S4

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    So the society bases judgment on a three year rule (give or take), and the perpetrator's contributions to the congregation in general, his wonderful reputation and including moves to other areas, ...and possible connections to big shots.

    What does the law consider in the state the scum committed an act as forgivable and free from prosecution?

    Again it goes back to many of the objections to disclosure of documents in Texas and that States response:

    To Paraphrase from the document. Any religion is allowed to believe and worship as they please, but they still have to obey secular law.....bottom line! Religious freedom does not over rule law.

    r.

  • golf2
    golf2

    The recovery rate for peds is next to nil !!!!!!

    Golf

  • restrangled
    restrangled

    btt.

    r.

  • V
    V

    Seeker4: chatting up avatars on a paedophilia topic is a bit creepy, eh?

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