Jesus!

Brummie

Jesus! Debate about him, deny him, accuse him of being gay, laugh at him, accuse him of causing all of life’s miseries. But you cannot prove he does not exist. Some respond by saying “you cant prove that he DOES exist! To a person who only knows things about him that is true, but to a person who KNOWS him, its crazy to hear people say he doesn’t exist. It’s like saying our greatest grandparents from 536 C.E didn’t exist!

I’ll go out on a limb here, I know him…do I sound deluded? I never had a lightning experience, I didn’t hear a voice from heaven, I didn’t have a goose bump experience. I never sought such, as a JW anything like that scared me and I would never have believed it if anything like that did happen. I’d have put such an experience down to the deception of the devil. But today I know him personally and I can not explain how that happened, I know when it happened but its not just an intellectual thing were a person can say it happened like this “A.B.C” There is intellect involved but to put it into intellectual terms leaves me struggling. One day I understood that he is not a doctrine to argue about, he is a person that exists in the here and now, I met him as that person. He didn’t give me all the answers to life’s injustices on a plate, but just peace of mind and stability and the understanding that he is real.

Because of this and my knowing him, I cant deny he exists and if I said I didn’t know him I would be lying to myself!

So anyhow, I don’t belong to a church, I don’t go to church, so its open to interpretation what religion I am, however I do understand those who say they “know” Christ. I have a relationship (mostly floundering) with him and I never feel insecure or eager to have to defend what I know. I would consider myself to be “backslidden” or simply rebellious by many peoples standards, but I don’t give a hoot, that doesn’t change my relationship.

OK, people usually say “ah well I’m happy you have found something to believe in..” but I would be interested in discussing the psychology surrounding the above …? Something a little bit deeper than "your a nut" would be appreciated..lol

Brummie

funkyderek

Brummie, as a thought exercise, try replacing "Jesus" with "Casper the friendly ghost" in your post.

SixofNine

Something a little bit deeper than "your a nut" would be appreciated..lol

Yeah well, that about sums it up. The sad thing is you choose this, it isn't totally brain chemistry. It is a bit, I'm sure you have some chemical need for an accepting invisible friend, but that same chemical need isn't yet making you hear voices or feel a presence or somesuch. Anyway, as long as you stay away from churches and religion, you're likely not a danger to anyone, so.....

Six~ girlish *whatever* with a nice imaginary hair flip class

Aztec

I have a relationship (mostly floundering) with him

You sound like me about two years ago Brummie. I was so sure of my beliefs, although I felt bad that I was "sinning" on a constant basis. I don't feel the need to debate his existence because I am very apathetic about the whole issue. I really do not care if he did or did not exist. As long as you are happy with your beliefs, have at them. You're a good guy Brummie and I like you a lot so I hope your faith serves you and your family well.

~Aztec the agnostic

rem

Imaginary friend?

rem

JH

Jesus He Knows Me (Phil Collins)

You see the face on the TV screen 
 Coming at you every Sunday 
 See that face on the billboard 
 That man is me 

 On the cover of the magazine 
 There's no question why I'm smiling 
 You buy a piece of paradise 
 You buy a piece of me 

 I'll get you everything you wanted 
 I'll get you everything you need 
 Don't need to believe in hereafter 
 Just believe in me 

 'Cause Jesus he knows me 
 And he knows I'm right 
 I've been talking to Jesus all my life 
 Oh yes he knows me 
 And he knows I'm right 
 And he's been telling me 
 Everything is alright 

 I believe in the family 
 With my ever loving wife beside me 
 But she don't know about my girlfriend 
 Or the man I met last night 

 Do you believe in God 
 'Cause that's what I'm selling 
 And if you wanna get to heaven 
 I'll see you right 

 You won't even have to leave your house 
 Or get outta your chair 
 You don't even have to touch that dial 
 'Cause I'm everywhere 

 And Jesus he knows me 
 And he knows I'm right 
 I've been talking to Jesus all my life 
 Oh yes he knows me 
 And he knows I'm right 
 Well he's been telling me 
 Everything's gonna be alright 

 Won't find me practising what I'm preaching 
 Won't find me making no sacrifice 
 But I can get you a pocketful of miracles 
 If you promise to be good, try to be nice 
 God will take good care of you 
 Just do as I say, don't do as I do 

 I'm counting my blessings, 
 I've found true happiness 
 'Cause I'm getting richer, day by day 
 You can find me in the phone book, 
 Just call my toll free number 
 You can do it anyway you want 
 Just do it right away 

 There'll be no doubt in your mind 
 You'll believe everything I'm saying 
 If you wanna get closer to him 
 Get on your knees and start paying 

 'Cause Jesus he knows me 
 And he knows I'm right 
 I've been talking to Jesus all my life 
 Oh yes he knows me 
 And he knows I'm right 
 Well he's been telling me 
 Everything's gonna be alright, alright 

 Jesus he knows me 
 Jesus he knows me, you know...

unique1

I think it is great you feel that way. Those of us who believe in a higher power would all like to have that kind of relationship with our god. Maybe I am the only one who sees that as a positive thing, but I do.

logansrun

I know Jesus too. He makes great burritos at the Mexican restaurant three blocks away.

Bradley

Aztec

Sorry bout the double post! Patience is a virtue right?

~Az

logansrun

Why is it that people here usually fall into two groups: those who don't believe Jesus ever existed and those who take JC by the hand and get all teary-eyed about him? I personally believe he existed but was just an extraordinary individual who taught many good things (and some really stupid things too). He was not God. He was not the Son of God. He was not even the Son of the Son of God. He was a man, period.

People talk about all sorts of religious "experiences" with the utmost certainty. Funny how so many of them contradict each other in the most damning ways. My take is that the human brain is susceptible to the religious experience -- it helped us survive.

Now, that doesn't mean I don't believe there is a God or purpose to living. I am starting to be inclined to believe there is. But, we need to be skeptical and scientifically minded about claims of "enlightenment", "knowing Jesus" and having thoughts of "past lives." All of them can be explained away with a more logical and empirical methodology.

Bradley

Jesus!

Jesus He Knows Me (Phil Collins)

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