The unbearable rightness of questioning....

by SixofNine 9 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Crownboy posted this on the other db. I think it is brilliant, and I've been looking for a format to show my daughter this way of thinking.

    This is an open letter from Richard Dawkins to his daughter:

    _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Dear Juliet,

    Now that you are ten, I want to write to you about something that is
    important to me. Have you ever wondered how we know the things that we know?
    How do we know, for instance, that the stars, which look like tiny pinpricks
    in the sky, are really huge balls of fire like the sun and are very far
    away? And how do we know that Earth is a smaller ball whirling round one of
    those stars, the sun?

    The answer to these questions is "evidence." Sometimes evidence means
    actually seeing ( or hearing, feeling, smelling..... ) that something is
    true. Astronauts have travelled far enough from earth to see with their own
    eyes that it is round. Sometimes our eyes need help. The "evening star"
    looks like a bright twinkle in the sky, but with a telescope, you can see
    that it is a beautiful ball - the planet we call Venus. Something that you
    learn by direct seeing ( or hearing or feeling..... ) is called an
    observation.

    Often, evidence isn't just an observation on its own, but observation always
    lies at the back of it. If there's been a murder, often nobody (except the
    murderer and the victim!) actually observed it. But detectives can gather
    together lots or other observations which may all point toward a particular
    suspect. If a person's fingerprints match those found on a dagger, this is
    evidence that he touched it. It doesn't prove that he did the murder, but it
    can help when it's joined up with lots of other evidence. Sometimes a
    detective can think about a whole lot of observations and suddenly realise
    that they fall into place and make sense if so-and-so did the murder.

    Scientists - the specialists in discovering what is true about the world and
    the universe - often work like detectives. They make a guess ( called a
    hypothesis ) about what might be true. They then say to themselves: If that
    were really true, we ought to see so-and-so. This is called a prediction.
    For example, if the world is really round, we can predict that a traveller,
    going on and on in the same direction, should eventually find himself back
    where he started.When a doctor says that you have the measles, he doesn't
    take one look at you and see measles. His first look gives him a hypothesis
    that you may have measles. Then he says to himself: If she has measles I
    ought to see...... Then he runs through the list of predictions and tests
    them with his eyes ( have you got spots? ); hands ( is your forehead hot? );
    and ears ( does your chest wheeze in a measly way? ). Only then does he make
    his decision and say, " I diagnose that the child has measles. " Sometimes
    doctors need to do other tests like blood tests or X-Rays, which help their
    eyes, hands, and ears to make observations.

    The way scientists use evidence to learn about the world is much cleverer
    and more complicated than I can say in a short letter. But now I want to
    move on from evidence, which is a good reason for believing something , and
    warn you against three bad reasons for believing anything. They are called
    "tradition," "authority," and "revelation."

    First, tradition. A few months ago, I went on television to have a
    discussion with about fifty children. These children were invited because
    they had been brought up in lots of different religions. Some had been
    brought up as Christians, others as Jews, Muslims, Hindus, or Sikhs. The man
    with the microphone went from child to child, asking them what they
    believed. What they said shows up exactly what I mean by "tradition." Their
    beliefs turned out to have no connection with evidence. They just trotted
    out the beliefs of their parents and grandparents which, in turn, were not
    based upon evidence either. They said things like: "We Hindus believe so and
    so"; "We Muslims believe such and such"; "We Christians believe something
    else."

    Of course, since they all believed different things, they couldn't all be
    right. The man with the microphone seemed to think this quite right and
    proper, and he didn't even try to get them to argue out their differences
    with each other. But that isn't the point I want to make for the moment. I
    simply want to ask where their beliefs come from. They came from tradition.
    Tradition means beliefs handed down from grandparent to parent to child, and
    so on. Or from books handed down through the centuries. Traditional beliefs
    often start from almost nothing; perhaps somebody just makes them up
    originally, like the stories about Thor and Zeus. But after they've been
    handed down over some centuries, the mere fact that they are so old makes
    them seem special. People believe things simply because people have believed
    the same thing over the centuries. That's tradition.

    The trouble with tradition is that, no matter how long ago a story was made
    up, it is still exactly as true or untrue as the original story was. If you
    make up a story that isn't true, handing it down over a number of centuries
    doesn't make it any truer!

    Most people in England have been baptised into the Church of England, but
    this is only one of the branches of the Christian religion. There are other
    branches such as Russian Orthodox, the Roman Catholic, and the Methodist
    churches. They all believe different things. The Jewish religion and the
    Muslim religion are a bit more different still; and there are different
    kinds of Jews and of Muslims. People who believe even slightly different
    things from each other go to war over their disagreements. So you might
    think that they must have some pretty good reasons - evidence - for
    believing what they believe. But actually, their different beliefs are
    entirely due to different traditions.

    Let's talk about one particular tradition. Roman Catholics believe that
    Mary, the mother of Jesus, was so special that she didn't die but was lifted
    bodily in to Heaven. Other Christian traditions disagree, saying that Mary
    did die like anybody else. These other religions don't talk about much and,
    unlike Roman Catholics, they don't call her the "Queen of Heaven." The
    tradition that Mary's body was lifted into Heaven is not an old one. The
    bible says nothing on how she died; in fact, the poor woman is scarcely
    mentioned in the Bible at all. The belief that her body was lifted into
    Heaven wasn't invented until about six centuries after Jesus' time. At
    first, it was just made up, in the same way as any story like "Snow White"
    was made up. But, over the centuries, it grew into a tradition and people
    started to take it seriously simply because the story had been handed down
    over so many generations. The older the tradition became, the more people
    took it seriously. It finally was written down as and official Roman
    Catholic belief only very recently, in 1950, when I was the age you are now.
    But the story was no more true in 1950 than it was when it was first
    invented six hundred years after Mary's death.

    I'll come back to tradition at the end of my letter, and look at it in
    another way. But first, I must deal with the two other bad reasons for
    believing in anything: authority and revelation.

    Authority, as a reason for believing something, means believing in it
    because you are told to believe it by somebody important. In the Roman
    Catholic Church, the pope is the most important person, and people believe
    he must be right just because he is the pope. In one branch of the Muslim
    religion, the important people are the old men with beards called
    ayatollahs. Lots of Muslims in this country are prepared to commit murder,
    purely because the ayatollahs in a faraway country tell them to.

    When I say that it was only in 1950 that Roman Catholics were finally told
    that they had to believe that Mary's body shot off to Heaven, what I mean is
    that in 1950, the pope told people that they had to believe it. That was it.
    The pope said it was true, so it had to be true! Now, probably some of the
    things that that pope said in his life were true and some were not true.
    There is no good reason why, just because he was the pope, you should
    believe everything he said any more than you believe everything that other
    people say. The present pope ( 1995 ) has ordered his followers not to limit
    the number of babies they have. If people follow this authority as slavishly
    as he would wish, the results could be terrible famines, diseases, and wars,
    caused by overcrowding.

    Of course, even in science, sometimes we haven't seen the evidence ourselves
    and we have to take somebody else's word for it. I haven't, with my own
    eyes, seen the evidence that light travels at a speed of 186,000 miles per
    second. Instead, I believe books that tell me the speed of light. This looks
    like "authority." But actually, it is much better than authority, because
    the people who wrote the books have seen the evidence and anyone is free to
    look carefully at the evidence whenever they want. That is very comforting.
    But not even the priests claim that there is any evidence for their story
    about Mary's body zooming off to Heaven.

    The third kind of bad reason for believing anything is called "revelation."
    If you had asked the pope in 1950 how he knew that Mary's body disappeared
    into Heaven, he would probably have said that it had been "revealed" to him.
    He shut himself in his room and prayed for guidance. He thought and thought,
    all by himself, and he became more and more sure inside himself. When
    religious people just have a feeling inside themselves that something must
    be true, even though there is no evidence that it is true, they call their
    feeling "revelation." It isn't only popes who claim to have revelations.
    Lots of religious people do. It is one of their main reasons for believing
    the things that they do believe. But is it a good reason?

    Suppose I told you that your dog was dead. You'd be very upset, and you'd
    probably say, "Are you sure? How do you know? How did it happen?" Now
    suppose I answered: "I don't actually know that Pepe is dead. I have no
    evidence. I just have a funny feeling deep inside me that he is dead." You'd
    be pretty cross with me for scaring you, because you'd know that an inside
    "feeling" on its own is not a good reason for believing that a whippet is
    dead. You need evidence. We all have inside feelings from time to time,
    sometimes they turn out to be right and sometimes they don't. Anyway,
    different people have opposite feelings, so how are we to decide whose
    feeling is right? The only way to be sure that a dog is dead is to see him
    dead, or hear that his heart has stopped; or be told by somebody who has
    seen or heard some real evidence that he is dead.

    People sometimes say that you must believe in feelings deep inside,
    otherwise, you' d never be confident of things like "My wife loves me." But
    this is a bad argument. There can be plenty of evidence that somebody loves
    you. All through the day when you are with somebody who loves you, you see
    and hear lots of little titbits of evidence, and they all add up. It isn't a
    purely inside feeling, like the feeling that priests call revelation. There
    are outside things to back up the inside feeling: looks in the eye, tender
    notes in the voice, little favors and kindnesses; this is all real evidence.


    Sometimes people have a strong inside feeling that somebody loves them when
    it is not based upon any evidence, and then they are likely to be completely
    wrong. There are people with a strong inside feeling that a famous film star
    loves them, when really the film star hasn't even met them. People like that
    are ill in their minds. Inside feelings must be backed up by evidence,
    otherwise you just can't trust them.

    Inside feelings are valuable in science, too, but only for giving you ideas
    that you later test by looking for evidence. A scientist can have a "hunch'"
    about an idea that just "feels" right. In itself, this is not a good reason
    for believing something. But it can be a good reason for spending some time
    doing a particular experiment, or looking in a particular way for evidence.
    Scientists use inside feelings all the time to get ideas. But they are not
    worth anything until they are supported by evidence.

    I promised that I'd come back to tradition, and look at it in another way. I
    want to try to explain why tradition is so important to us. All animals are
    built (by the process called evolution) to survive in the normal place in
    which their kind live. Lions are built to be good at surviving on the plains
    of Africa. Crayfish to be good at surviving in fresh, water, while lobsters
    are built to be good at surviving in the salt sea. People are animals, too,
    and we are built to be good at surviving in a world full of ..... other
    people. Most of us don't hunt for our own food like lions or lobsters; we
    buy it from other people who have bought it from yet other people. We
    ''swim'' through a "sea of people." Just as a fish needs gills to survive in
    water, people need brains that make them able to deal with other people.
    Just as the sea is full of salt water, the sea of people is full of
    difficult things to learn. Like language.

    You speak English, but your friend Ann-Kathrin speaks German. You each speak
    the language that fits you to '`swim about" in your own separate "people
    sea." Language is passed down by tradition. There is no other way . In
    England, Pepe is a dog. In Germany he is ein Hund. Neither of these words is
    more correct, or more true than the other. Both are simply handed down. In
    order to be good at "swimming about in their people sea," children have to
    learn the language of their own country, and lots of other things about
    their own people; and this means that they have to absorb, like blotting
    paper, an enormous amount of traditional information. (Remember that
    traditional information just means things that are handed down from
    grandparents to parents to children.) The child's brain has to be a sucker
    for traditional information. And the child can't be expected to sort out
    good and useful traditional information, like the words of a language, from
    bad or silly traditional information, like believing in witches and devils
    and ever-living virgins.

    It's a pity, but it can't help being the case, that because children have to
    be suckers for traditional information, they are likely to believe anything
    the grown-ups tell them, whether true or false, right or wrong. Lots of what
    the grown-ups tell them is true and based on evidence, or at least sensible.
    But if some of it is false, silly, or even wicked, there is nothing to stop
    the children believing that, too. Now, when the children grow up, what do
    they do? Well, of course, they tell it to the next generation of children.
    So, once something gets itself strongly believed - even if it is completely
    untrue and there never was any reason to believe it in the first place - it
    can go on forever.

    Could this be what has happened with religions ? Belief that there is a god
    or gods, belief in Heaven, belief that Mary never died, belief that Jesus
    never had a human father, belief that prayers are answered, belief that wine
    turns into blood - not one of these beliefs is backed up by any good
    evidence. Yet millions of people believe them. Perhaps this because they
    were told to believe them when they were told to believe them when they were
    young enough to believe anything.

    Millions of other people believe quite different things, because they were
    told different things when they were children. Muslim children are told
    different things from Christian children, and both grow up utterly convinced
    that they are right and the others are wrong. Even within Christians, Roman
    Catholics believe different things from Church of England people or
    Episcopalians, Shakers or Quakers , Mormons or Holy Rollers, and are all
    utterly covinced that they are right and the others are wrong. They believe
    different things for exactly the same kind of reason as you speak English
    and Ann-Kathrin speaks German. Both languages are, in their own country, the
    right language to speak. But it can't be true that different religions are
    right in their own countries, because different religions claim that
    opposite things are true. Mary can't be alive in Catholic Southern Ireland
    but dead in Protestant Northern Ireland.

    What can we do about all this ? It is not easy for you to do anything,
    because you are only ten. But you could try this. Next time somebody tells
    you something that sounds important, think to yourself: "Is this the kind of
    thing that people probably know because of evidence? Or is it the kind of
    thing that people only believe because of tradition, authority, or
    revelation?" And, next time somebody tells you that something is true, why
    not say to them: "What kind of evidence is there for that?"
    And if they can't give you a good answer, I hope you'll think very carefully
    before you believe a word they say.

    Your loving,
    Daddy

  • patio34
    patio34

    That's a great letter SixofNine and thanks for posting it. I saw a reference to Richard Dawkins that called him "Search for the Selfish Genius." I have enjoyed a few of his books too.

    Pat

  • Beck_Melbourne
    Beck_Melbourne

    I've posted a reply to this about 4 times and have re-typed it each time because I keep stuffing it up.

    Anyway...I thought that was a great way to reason with a kid. I have 3 kids, and my youngest is the one who shows signs of still believing...she's 12 btw. I decided a while ago that I didn't want to be too analytical with the kids...and I've had a very casual attitude towards the merger from jw to worldly life. They don't want the jw life and they never did, they only went along with it because they were born into it...and they only believed in it, because they were taught to. Now that they have the freedom to make their own choice regarding jw'ism...they have chosen to walk away from it. They look to me...and they can see that I don't harbour any guilt over leaving. I used to, but not anymore. They seem well adjusted considering the degree of jw'ism they were exposed to since birth. They had drama and assembly parts and were giving talks since they could read. They were reciting books of the bible and all sorts of crazy stuff since they could talk. Their father is still very JW, but they have learnt what NOT to say in front of him, and what NOT to do. They are comfortable with this compromise and they are now so much happier to be who they are rather then who we wanted them to be.

    ~Beck~

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    Very nice. Thanks fer posting this.

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz

    Excellent!

  • Navigator
    Navigator

    Excellent post! All of us kids need to take this information in.

  • SYN
    SYN

    The religion killer: "But what evidence is there?"

  • crownboy
    crownboy

    Well you did borrow my post SixofNine, so obviously I'm going to give it a positive review.

    Wish I had read this instead of My Book of Bible Stories when I was 10.

  • JT
    JT

    this goes to the archives

  • patio34
    patio34

    JT, you're so right about this going into the archives. Six, I printed this out and shared it at work with another Dawkins fan.

    Pat

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