Noah, Jerusalem, and Divine Judgment. How would you answer this?

by neverendingjourney 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • neverendingjourney
    neverendingjourney

    Jesus compared the last days with the days of Noah 1 . The WTBTS says that Noah preached for 40 years 2 before the flood came so that he could give his contemporaries a chance to repent and be saved. None of them did. When Jehovah’s time came, he closed the doors of the ark and brought a global deluge that killed everyone but Noah and his family. The message is clear. Noah’s preaching work was designed to give warning to his contemporaries and to allow them ample opportunity to repent and spare their lives.

    Jesus spoke to four of his apostles on the Mount of Olives regarding the looming destruction of the temple. This discussion was preserved in Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13. Again, the message was clear. Jehovah would soon destroy the temple and its surrounding. His followers were given a sign to know when they were to flee the city. The apostles were later ordered to make disciples, giving them warning of the looming disaster. Thirty-seven years passed between Jesus’ utterance of that prophecy and the year in which Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman Empire. Thirty seven years were enough to adequately warn people about God’s impending judgment. The WTBTS claims that this prophecy by Jesus Christ has a second application in our day and that Jehovah’s Witnesses have been carrying out a similar preaching work designed to warn of the upcoming judgment that God will execute upon mankind in Armageddon.

    However, on both of these occasions, God gave his servants ample time to warn their contemporaries of his upcoming judgment. He gave that particular generation or group of people enough time to either repent or face His wrath. Again, both of these accounts are supposed to have direct parallels with what’s been happening since Jesus was supposedly enthroned in heaven in the year 1914. Ninety-three years have passed since then. The WTBTS claims that Jehovah exclusively chose them as the faithful and discreet slave in 1919 to warn mankind of this looming disaster. Eighty-eight years has gone by since their alleged appointment.

    Why so much time? Most of the people they preached to in the 1910s and 1920s are dead. Judge Rutherford’s bold pronouncement that “millions now living will never die” has been proven false. The contemporaries of the FDS as of their supposed date of appointment in 1919 are now dead. If Jehovah’s purpose in selecting a servant or servants is to warn of His impending judgment, why allow the present generation to die off and then warn an entirely new group of people? That has not been God’s method of operation. As is clear in the Genesis account of Noah and the Gospels' rendition of Jesus’ prophecy regarding the destruction of Jerusalem, God gave the group of people then living enough time to learn about His impending judgment and decide whose side they would take. He didn’t choose to warn of His upcoming judgment, wait until that generation died off, and then continue warning an entirely new group of people. The moral of this post is something we already know: Armageddon should have come a long time ago. There is simply no good way of explaining how the last days have lasted this long.

    If you were still an active Jehovah’s Witness, what would be your response? Keep in mind that Watchtower has recently tweaked their last days doctrine to allow for Armageddon to come decades in the future.

    [1] “37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”

    Matthew 24: 37-39

    [2] *** w97 3/1 p. 12 par. 13 Are You Ready for Jehovah’s Day? ***

    Noah put total confidence in this divine judicial decree. After reaching the age of 500, he “became father to Shem, Ham and Japheth,” and custom of those days suggests that 50 to 60 years passed before his sons got married. When Noah was told to build the ark for preservation through the Flood, those sons and their wives evidently assisted him in that endeavor. The building of the ark likely coincided with Noah’s service as “a preacher of righteousness,” keeping him busy for the last 40 to 50 years before the Flood.

  • badboy
    badboy

    PERHAPS ARMAGEDDON WILL COME IN 2015

  • edmond dantes
    edmond dantes

    Exactly right, the generations that Witlesses speak to keep keeling over.Pity they are not humble enough to apologise to the present and past generations for getting it wrong all of the time.

  • B_Deserter
    B_Deserter

    The end is coming roughly 990 million years from now when Jesus returns. The society correctly included the "day for a year" in deciphering Daniel's prophecy, but forgot that 1000 years is but a day to Jehovah. By taking the number of days in 2,520 years and multiplying it by 1,000, that is 919,800 milleniums, or 919.8 million years from the time of Jerusalem's destruction.

  • Liberty
    Liberty

    I just read the Flood account directly from Genesis and there is no mention anywhere of Noah preaching to people about the coming flood nor was there any provision for any would-be converts from such non-preaching to be saved. That everyone else is to die in the Flood is a forgone conclusion already decided by God. It also appears that the only reason that the rest of Noah's family were saved is because of God's "covenent" with Noah, in other words none of the members of his family worked out their own salvation nor were they judged as "good" and "worthy" but were saved just because they were Noah's intimate family as a favor to Noah. The "real" Flood story is completely different from what the Watch Tower Society teaches and has not the slightest similarity to their salvation plan for the big "A".

  • Liberty
    Liberty

    Hi neverendingjourney,

    I hope no offense was taken, I kind of highjacked your thread. I didn't mean it as a criticism of you or your idea, I just wanted to point out that the WTB&S is dead wrong about the Flood analogy to their big "A" scenario. It is all conjecture.

  • neverendingjourney
    neverendingjourney

    Oh, I didn't take offense. You're exactly right and your comment is definitely on point. The JWs twisted the Noah story in an effort to make it parallel their own preaching work. Unfortunately for them, however, it's come back to bite them in the arse. Too much time has passed since 1914. As time passes, the parallel they draw becomes more and more untenable.

    Thanks for the comment.

  • B_Deserter
    B_Deserter

    Yep that's the point. I like to point out that the WTS isn't the only entity that can hopscotch around unrelated scriptures to come up with crazy calculations.

  • neverendingjourney
    neverendingjourney
    I like to point out that the WTS isn't the only entity that can hopscotch around unrelated scriptures to come up with crazy calculations.

    Yep. There are a few people on this forum who are into these type of predictions as well. The results they arrive at are equally ridiculous. I'm not going to name any names, but I'm looking in your general direction, JCanon and Obves.

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    I wouldn't be able to respond. I would disappear in a rapidly expanding cloud of logic tinged with embarrasement.

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