Was "Da Judge" a Liar? Not yet!! ( I think )

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Millions Now Living Will Never Die!!

J Dubs Stop Giving and Pigs Will Fly!!

(OK, that's my poetry attempt for today. I'll stop now. )

"Da Judge" first gave that talk with a little wiggle room in the title on February 24, 1918: "The World Has Ended; Millions Now Living MAY Never Die"

Five weeks go by, a lot of dubs were slurping it up without batting an eye, so he changed it to the whopper we've all come to know and love: "The World Has Ended; Millions Now Living WILL NEVER Die."

Has anyone on JWD ever done a post showing what year the title of that talk will become, not just embarrasingly absurd, but a flat-out, mortality-table-justified, bald-faced lie?

I'm thinking..........2020? Anyone?

If not, I'll start Googlin' and Calculatin'.

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greendawn

Isn't it already very absurd? From 1918 to the present 89 years have gone by and virtually all those living in 1918 have already died including many dubs that had been hoping they would never see death yet they did. Rutherford was predicting the end as being due in 1925 hence the "millions living that would never die".

theinfamousone

so the babies born that day may not have died yet... the problem is, in the original talk, i think i remember hearing that he said he didnt mean babies, he meant people capable of understanding... lets put understanding at 6 years old, to play devils advocate here; the people would be 95 by now... if theyre still alive, well then the new system better come soon, cuz they wont be for long

the infamous one

Open mind

Absurd? Yeah, we went past absurd a long time ago.

Statistically false? Not quite there yet. Taking Theinfamousone's 6 year old age of understanding concept, here's what I'm lookin for:

When will the earth have less than 2 million inhabitants who were born prior to 1912? or 1918 if we just take the title at pure face value?

I don't think we're there yet.

Now as for Crazy..............Well, we passed Crazy quite a few miles back.

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nvrgnbk

Well, we passed Crazy quite a few miles back.

Yup.

Can't even see it in the rearview mirror anymore.

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According to this link:

http://www.un.org/NewLinks/older/99/older.htm

"In 1998, there were 135,000 centenarians in the world."

So, by the infamousone's idea of needing to be at least 6 years old, we're right around the tipping point right now.

I'll keep digging on this issue of vital importance.

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UPDATE: Da Judge became an undeniable liar two years ago!!!!! Wooo hoooo!!!. Here's the results of my Googlin' and Calculatin'.

As of 2005, there were only 1,740,432 people aged 95-99 on the planet. Here's the link.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_tot_pop_age_959-total-population-age-95-99#source

And as I posted earlier: "In 1998, there were 135,000 centenarians in the world." Here's the link again:

http://www.un.org/NewLinks/older/99/older.htm

So 1.74 million (aged 95-99) plus 0.13 million (age over 100) = 1.87 million people on the planet over 95 yrs old as of 2005.

So...................as of 2005, there were less than 2 million people alive on the planet who were of an "age of understanding" during Da Judge's talk (even though almost none of these people actually heard the talk). Now, if EVERY ONE of these roughly 1.9 million people are deemed worthy of survival through the Big A (another big leap) and the Big A comes TODAY (yet another big leap), Da Judge was still a BIG, FAT, (USUALLY DRUNK) LIAR!!!!

Phew!!!!

Glad I got that off my chest.

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p.s. OK, the drunk part you'll have to get from some other thread. ;-)

VM44

"At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die.", Genesis 3:4

"...based upon the promises set forth in the divine Word, we must reach the positive and indisputable conclusion that MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE." -- Judge Rutherford in 1920

The Millions did die, including Rutherford!

--VM44

TD

Has anyone on JWD ever done a post showing what year the title of that talk will become, not just embarrasingly absurd, but a flat-out, mortality-table-justified, bald-faced lie?

Hasn't the evolution of JW doctrine rendered this almost a non-sequiter today? Remember that this talk, predates the formal introduction of the two-class 144,000/Great Crowd salvific system that JW's teach today. The "Millions" who may/will "Never die" were "Nominal Christians", people of "Good will" scattered throughout "Christendom", not the Bible Students.

JW's haven't believed that people like this would be spared for many years now. --They made the promise a "Lie" a long time ago.

Open mind

Thanks for those nice parallels VM44!!

Also, TD said:

Hasn't the evolution of JW doctrine rendered this almost a non-sequiter today? Remember that this talk, predates the formal introduction of the two-class 144,000/Great Crowd salvific system that JW's teach today. The "Millions" who may/will "Never die" were "Nominal Christians", people of "Good will" scattered throughout "Christendom", not the Bible Students.

Absolutely. I mentioned above that this talk and subsequent book have become "embarrasingly absurd". I was just looking at it strictly from the viewpoint of giving JF Rutherford every remotely conceivable benefit of the doubt and taking the title of the talk strictly at face value. Even doing that, we passed the "2 million humans still alive" point somewhere around 2005. I'm a layperson numbers nerd at heart.

BTW, TD, I always enjoy your posts. Thanks for adding to this thread. I even learned a new vocab word: "SALVIFIC". I thought you were just pulling that one out of a nether region, but my handy Webster's proved me wrong. Sorry for privately imputing bad motives to you TD.

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