THE TEN COMMANDMENTS (there are THREE versions!)

Terry

I don't know how many of you are aware of the fact that the Protestants, the Catholics and the Jews have each a different version of the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

The next time some right wing nutcase starts pushing this agenda refer him to the following chart.

Which Ten Commandments?

Protestant	Catholic	Hebrew
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.	1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.	1. I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.	2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.	2. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; And showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.	3. Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day.	3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.	4. Honor thy Father and thy Mother.	4. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work. But the seventh day is the Sabbath in honour of the Lord thy God; on it thou shalt not do any work, neither thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
5. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.	5. Thou shalt not kill.	5. Honour thy father and thy mother; in order that thy days may be prolonged upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
6. Thou shalt not kill.	6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.	6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.	7. Thou shalt not steal.	7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.	8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.	8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.	9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.	9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.	10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.	10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house; thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
King James Bible, issued by the American Bible Society.	Catholic Catechism by Peter Cardinal Gasparri, "published with Ecclesiastical approval" and bearing the imprimatur of Patrick Cardinal Hayes, Archbishop, New York. P. J. Kenedy & Sons, 1932.	Bloch Publishing Company, New York, 1922.

Graphic Rule

Which Ten Commandments?

First Tables of Stone (Exodus 20)("which Moses didst break")		Second Tables of Stone (Exodus 34)("the words that were on the first")
1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me.		1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).
2. You shall not make for yourself a graven image. You shall not bow down to them or serve them.		2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.		3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.		4. All the first-born are mine.
5. Honor your father and your mother.		5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.
6. You shall not kill.		6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
7. You shall not commit adultery.		7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.
8. You shall not steal.		8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.		9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10. You shall not covet.		10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk.
Adapted from Microsoft Bookshelf 98		K. Budde, History of Ancient Hebrew Literature

There are a number of great articles on websites devoted to atheism which touch on little known aspects of Christianity with a view to the inconsistencies. Do a web search when you have the time and treat yourself to the other side of these issues.

Terry

the_classicist

There's a difference in numbering, but they're still the same. And the "Catholic version" is a summary version, not meant to quote the Bible, but meant to be memorized.

It's really a non-issue, Terry.

Will Power

"thou shall not covet thy neighbor's ass"

you should see my neighbor!

funkyderek

There's a difference in numbering, but they're still the same.

They're absolutely not the same. The revised version from Exodus 34 differs substantially from the version at Exodus 20. Read them again.

Shining One

Another non-issue emanating forth from those who are agenda driven....
BTW, 'inerrancy' and 'infallibility' are separate issues and only apply to original manuscripts, none of which we have.
Rex

funkyderek

BTW, 'inerrancy' and 'infallibility' are separate issues

Nobody mentioned either. Which of the significantly different lists are the actual Ten Commandments?

Terry

the classicist:

There's a difference in numbering, but they're still the same. And the "Catholic version" is a summary version, not meant to quote the Bible, but meant to be memorized.
It's really a non-issue, Terry.

Oh really?

The Catholics seem to have misplaced any mention of bowing down before idols. Just an oversight, you think?

How can you miss a point so obvious? You are so busy refuting you don't bother to analyze.

Terry

sonnyboy

The Catholics seem to have misplaced any mention of bowing down before idols.

Of course they did. They wouldn't want to upset Jupiter, Juno, Venus, and the rest of the gang.

the_classicist

They're absolutely not the same. The revised version from Exodus 34 differs substantially from the version at Exodus 20. Read them again.

I was referring to the three ones across the top: the three versions that Terry referred to in an exclamitorial manner.

The Catholics seem to have misplaced any mention of bowing down before idols. Just an oversight, you think?

Catholics consider that a violation of the first commandment; the Second Council of Nicaea assigned to sacred images the same veneration given to the Book of the Gospels, which is different from the adoration warned against in the first commandment.

Now as to the point of Exodus 34 and 20. If you notice, the Decalogue is not reproduced in Exodus 34, but there is a record and command of it's reproduction. Exodus 34:10-26 concerns religious laws and not the Decalogue. You're taking it out of context.

Hey Terry, it looks like you are so ready to smear the Bible that you didn't actually look at the text properly, nor look up Catholic theology.

AllAlongTheWatchtower

An interesting point here, that I have failed to notice before. In several previous posts there have been creationism vs scientific arguments, and more than once I remember it being said that "6 days" was not to be taken literally. (A view that pro- creationists, including the WTS, use to deal with the problems that arise from trying to explain millions of years of geological evidence with a 6,000 year old earth.

Yet in the various versions of the 10 commandments, it is said that you must remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy, because god created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. Kinda throws a monkey wrench in the apologist theory that a day could actually equal a thousand years.

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS (there are THREE versions!)

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