Book Study Wk 7 8/8: pg46-51 Rise and Fall of an Immense Image

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  • ithinkisee
    ithinkisee

    Okay, here we go ... the "meat" (i.e. SPAM) of the Daniel Book is being foisted upon us at the book study.

    This is "rock-solid" evidence though ... so apostates ... do your worst! You can't win against Jehovah.

    -ithinkisee

    Chapter Four: The Rise and Fall of an Immense Image

    A DECADE has passed since King Nebuchadnezzar brought Daniel and other “foremost men of the land” of Judah into captivity in Babylon. (2 Kings 24:15) Young Daniel is serving in the king’s court when a life-threatening situation arises. Why should this interest us? Because the way that Jehovah God intervenes in the matter not only saves the lives of Daniel and others but also gives us a view of the march of world powers of Bible prophecy leading into our times.

    A MONARCH FACES A DIFFICULT PROBLEM

    2 “In the second year of the kingship of Nebuchadnezzar,” wrote the prophet Daniel, “Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams; and his spirit began to feel agitated, and his very sleep was made to be something beyond him.” (Daniel 2:1) The dreamer was Nebuchadnezzar, the king of the Babylonian Empire. He had effectively become world ruler in 607 B.C.E. when Jehovah God allowed him to destroy Jerusalem and its temple. In the second year of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign as world ruler (606/605 B.C.E.), God sent him a terrifying dream.

    3 This dream distressed Nebuchadnezzar so much that he could not sleep. Naturally, he was anxious to know its meaning. But the mighty king had forgotten the dream! So he summoned Babylon’s magicians, enchanters, and sorcerers, and he demanded that they relate the dream and interpret it. The task was beyond them. Their failure so infuriated Nebuchadnezzar that he issued a command “to destroy all the wise men of Babylon.” This decree would bring the prophet Daniel face-to-face with the appointed executioner. Why? Because he and his three Hebrew companions—Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah—were counted among the wise men of Babylon.—Daniel 2:2-14.

    DANIEL COMES TO THE RESCUE (cue the Indiana Jones music)

    4 After learning the reason for Nebuchadnezzar’s harsh decree, “Daniel himself went in and asked from the king that he should give him time expressly to show the very interpretation to the king.” This was granted. Daniel returned to his house, and he and his three Hebrew friends prayed, asking “for mercies on the part of the God of heaven concerning this secret.” In a vision that very night, Jehovah revealed to Daniel the secret of the dream. Gratefully, Daniel said: “Let the name of God become blessed from time indefinite even to time indefinite, for wisdom and mightiness—for they belong to him. And he is changing times and seasons, removing kings and setting up kings, giving wisdom to the wise ones and knowledge to those knowing discernment. He is revealing the deep things and the concealed things, knowing what is in the darkness; and with him the light does dwell.” For such insight, Daniel praised Jehovah.—Daniel 2:15-23.

    5 The following day, Daniel approached Arioch, the chief of the bodyguard, who had been appointed to destroy the wise men of Babylon. Upon learning that Daniel could interpret the dream, Arioch rushed him to the king. Taking no credit for himself, Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar: “There exists a God in the heavens who is a Revealer of secrets, and he has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what is to occur in the final part of the days.” Daniel was ready to reveal not only the future of the Babylonian Empire but an outline of world events from Nebuchadnezzar’s day to our time and beyond.—Daniel 2:24-30.

    THE DREAM—REMEMBERED

    6 Nebuchadnezzar listened intently as Daniel explained: “You, O king, happened to be beholding, and, look! a certain immense image. That image, which was large and the brightness of which was extraordinary, was standing in front of you, and its appearance was dreadful. As regards that image, its head was of good gold, its breasts and its arms were of silver, its belly and its thighs were of copper, its legs were of iron, its feet were partly of iron and partly of molded clay. You kept on looking until a stone was cut out not by hands, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of molded clay and crushed them. At that time the iron, the molded clay, the copper, the silver and the gold were, all together, crushed and became like the chaff from the summer threshing floor, and the wind carried them away so that no trace at all was found of them. And as for the stone that struck the image, it became a large mountain and filled the whole earth.”—Daniel 2:31-35.

    7 How thrilled Nebuchadnezzar must have been to hear Daniel unfold the dream! But wait! Babylon’s wise men would be spared only if Daniel also interpreted the dream. Speaking for himself and his three Hebrew friends, Daniel declared: “This is the dream, and its interpretation we shall say before the king.”—Daniel 2:36.

    A KINGDOM OF EMINENT DISTINCTION

    8 “You, O king, the king of kings, you to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, and the strength and the dignity, and into whose hand he has given, wherever the sons of mankind are dwelling, the beasts of the field and the winged creatures of the heavens, and whom he has made ruler over all of them, you yourself are the head of gold.” (Daniel 2:37, 38) These words applied to Nebuchadnezzar after Jehovah had used him to destroy Jerusalem, in 607 B.C.E. This is so because the kings enthroned in Jerusalem were from the line of David, Jehovah’s anointed king. Jerusalem was the capital of Judah, the typical kingdom of God representing Jehovah’s sovereignty over the earth. With that city’s destruction in 607 B.C.E., this typical kingdom of God ceased to exist. (1 Chronicles 29:23; 2 Chronicles 36:17-21) The successive world powers represented by the metallic parts of the image could now exercise world domination without interference from God’s typical kingdom. As the head of gold, the most precious metal known in ancient times, Nebuchadnezzar had had the distinction of overturning that kingdom by destroying Jerusalem.—See “A Warrior King Builds an Empire,” on page 63.

    9 Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned for 43 years, headed a dynasty that ruled over the Babylonian Empire. It included his son-in-law Nabonidus and his oldest son, Evil-merodach. That dynasty continued for 43 more years, until the death of Nabonidus’ son Belshazzar, in 539 B.C.E. (2 Kings 25:27; Daniel 5:30) So the head of gold in the dream image represented not just Nebuchadnezzar but the entire Babylonian line of rulership.

    10 Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar: “After you there will rise another kingdom inferior to you.” (Daniel 2:39) A kingdom symbolized by the image’s breasts and arms of silver would succeed Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty. Some 200 years earlier, Isaiah had foretold this kingdom, even giving the name of its victorious king—Cyrus. (Isaiah 13:1-17; 21:2-9; 44:24–45:7, 13) This was the Medo-Persian Empire. Even though Medo-Persia developed a great civilization that was not secondary to that of the Babylonian Empire, this latter kingdom is represented by silver, a metal less precious than gold. It was inferior to the Babylonian World Power in that it did not have the distinction of overturning Judah, the typical kingdom of God with its capital at Jerusalem.

    11 Some 60 years after interpreting the dream, Daniel witnessed the end of Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty. Daniel was present on the night of October 5/6, 539 B.C.E., when the Medo-Persian army took seemingly impregnable Babylon and executed King Belshazzar. With the death of Belshazzar, the golden head of the dream image—the Babylonian Empire—ceased to exist.

    [Study Questions]

    1. Why should we be interested in a situation that arose a decade after King Nebuchadnezzar took Daniel and others into captivity?

    2. When did Nebuchadnezzar have his first prophetic dream?

    3. Who proved unable to interpret the king’s dream, and how did Nebuchadnezzar respond?

    4. (a) How did Daniel learn the content of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream and its meaning? (b) What did Daniel say in appreciation to Jehovah God?

    5. (a) When before the king, how did Daniel give credit to Jehovah? (b) Why is Daniel’s explanation of interest to us today?

    6, 7. What was the dream that Daniel recalled for the king?

    8. (a) Who or what did Daniel interpret the head of gold to be? (b) When did the head of gold come into existence?

    9. What was represented by the head of gold?

    10. (a) How did Nebuchadnezzar’s dream indicate that the Babylonian World Power would not last? (b) What did the prophet Isaiah foretell about Babylon’s conqueror? (c) In what sense was Medo-Persia inferior to Babylon?

    11. When did Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty cease to exist?

  • ithinkisee
    ithinkisee

    World Powers in Daniel. Were there others?

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/94250/1.ashx

    -ithinkisee

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan
    So the head of gold in the dream image represented not just...........

    I think that in jw language an "image" is a thing - as opposed to a thing having/imparting/portraying etc. an image - this particular bent on language/understanding sees "idols" being also understood as "things", rather than no-thing - rather than associate an idol/image with lets say a statue for example, the jw mindset understands the thing AS BEING the image.

    Hence their prophecies and understandings require solid fantasy and so begins the "work" of identifying various world leaders/groups etc etc - the fact that they can "give life to the image of a beast" doesn't seem to ring a bell with them - the literal understanding of the bible providing them with the substance of the god, and the physical existence of the bible is sufficient "thing" for their satisfaction, regardless of whether it is themselves that make it up.

    I believe that as they don't really consider 'image' without 'thing' they look for things that others worship as "false gods" - eg. a statue, not comprehending that image is about imagination - eg. jerhover, an imaginary concept of a man who is like an animal.

    And WITHOUT Him was nothing made that WAS made

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    At the study, show up with a bunch of books from the library and raise your hand and say: I went to the library to research the fall of Jerusalem and I found that all of the books said that Jerusalem fell in 587 BCE. Why does the Daniel book say that it fell in 607?

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Actually, there is concensus among scholars that the four kingdoms here are:

    Gold head: Babylonian kingdom
    Silver arms and breast: Median kingdom
    Bronze torso: Persian kingdom
    Iron legs: Greek kingdom
    Iron/clay feet: divided kingdom of the Seleucids and Ptolemies

    This is based on the frequent Hellenistic four-kingdom schema of Assyria < Media < Persia < Greece (based on a Persian point of view, in that Media was viewed as the conquerer of Assyria, which was itself conquered by Persia). Because Daniel concerns Babylon, not Assyria, the former replaces the first kingdom, artificially creating an intervening Median kingdom between Babylon and Persia. This is why "Darius the Mede" conquers Babylon, not Cyrus, and Darius is the autocratic ruler of a large kingdom in ch. 6 (i.e. not the governor of a province of Babylon) whose rule precedes that of "Cyrus the Persian".

    By lumping together the Median and Persian kingdoms into "Medo-Persia", the Society here has to explain away a big problem in the text: the kingdom of silver is described as "inferior to you" (2:39), yet the Persian empire was far greater and larger by all accounts than that of the Neo-Babylonians -- extending to India (cf. Esther 1:1). The Society's attempt to explain this away (such that Medo-Persia is "inferior" because Babylon was the kingdom that had conquered Judah) is specious and strained. The third kingdom is said to "rule over the whole world" (v. 40), which again is apt for the Persian kingdom.

    The fourth kingdom is of IRON which crushes the earlier kingdoms (the Medes and Persians); this is parallel to the third beast of ch. 7 which has IRON teeth which crushed and trampled underfoot "what remained" (7:7), and parallel to the "he-goat from the west" (Greece) which knocked down the ram (Media and Persia) and "trampled it underfoot" (8:5-7). The iron/clay feet which immediately follows the kingdom of iron represents "a kingdom which will be split in two" and which will be "mixed together through the seed of man" (2:41-43). This corresponds to the division of Alexander's kingdom among his four generals and in particular the division between the Ptolemies and the Seleucids. Thus in 8:8 the he-goat's horn is replaced by four majestic horns in its place, and in the Great Vision of ch. 11, Alexander's kingdom "will be broken up and parcelled out to the four winds of heaven," and in particular between the King of the North (the Seleucids) and the King of the South (the Ptolemies). The reference to the two kingdoms being "mixed together through the seed of man" (2:43) corresponds precisely to the marriage alliances between the two kingdoms in ch. 11. Cf. "These will form an alliance, and to ratify the agreement, the daughter of the king of the South will go to the king of the North. Her arm will not however retain its strength nor his posterity endure, she will be handed over, her escorts and her child...in due time a sprig from her roots will rise in his place" (11:6-7); "He will make a treaty with him and to overthrow the kingdom give him a woman's daughter" (11:17).

  • MidwichCuckoo
    MidwichCuckoo

    I have the KISS approach 607 / 587 - can anyone give me the link to the WT's own chronology (I think Farkel posted it,and it works out at 587 too, from their own calculations!) Ta.

  • ithinkisee
    ithinkisee

    Notice the play on words:

    *** it-2 p. 480 Nebuchadnezzar ***
    Nebuchadnezzar ruled as king for 43 years (624-582 B.C.E.)

    *** dp chap. 4 p. 46 The Rise and Fall of an Immense Image ***
    The dreamer was Nebuchadnezzar, the king of the Babylonian Empire. He had effectively become world ruler in 607 B.C.E. when Jehovah God allowed him to destroy Jerusalem and its temple. In the second year of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign as world ruler (606/605 B.C.E.), God sent him a terrifying dream.

    -ithinkisee

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