Chapter Two: JWs are Ruled by a Clone

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  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3

    Please read "Chapter One" of this topic as well: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/78201/1.ashx

    Now we understand that JWs believe that you will be resurrected with a new body, but what about your soul?

    *** w90 9/1 p. 5 Does the Soul Survive Death? ***
    Still, the question remains, What does happen to the soul after death? Since the soul is the person, clearly, the soul dies when the person dies. In other words, a dead person is a dead soul.

    So if the soul ends, how is it reproduced?

    *** w71 12/1 p. 708 Our Memory of Those Who Have Passed into Death ***
    God remembers everything, and can bring the person, the same personality, actually and tangibly back to live on this earth. Since God can, if he so chooses, know before a child is born exactly what all his personality traits are?and the Bible tells of instances in which He has done this?how easy it is for God to reconstruct such one?s life pattern after he has lived and manifested these traits.

    Does this apply to Jesus when he died and was resurrected?

    *** w88 6/1 p. 13 Jesus Christ?God?s Beloved Son ***
    After Jesus died, he was in the tomb for about three days. Who resurrected him? Since he was dead, he could not resurrect himself. And if he was not really dead, then he could not have paid the ransom for Adam?s sin. But he did die, and was nonexistent for about three days.

    And now we reach the crux of my argument. Jesus, as JWs understand him, is a ?clone?, or more accurately defined, a facsimile or copy. The original Jesus that God created died in 33 AD ? and is still dead.

    What is Jesus ver 2.1 doing now?

    *** w73 10/15 p. 620 Cause of Humanity?s Distress Nears Removal ***
    Since the birth of the Messianic kingdom in the heavens at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914, that Jesus is the reigning Messianic King.

    Interesting that the ?anointed? (those with a heavenly hope) have two catgories: clones and originals.

    The "clones" are those who died before 1914 ? they had to wait for Jesus to get kinged.

    *** pe chap. 20 p. 173 Resurrection?for Whom, and Where? ***
    So following the resurrection of Christ, the 144,000 are the next to be raised. They have part in ?the first resurrection,? or ?the earlier resurrection.? (Philippians 3:11) When does this take place? ?During his presence,? the Bible says. As we have learned in earlier chapters, Christ?s presence began in the year 1914.

    The "originals" are those who die after 1914: their souls never die, they are transformed.

    *** pe chap. 20 p. 173 Resurrection?for Whom, and Where? ***
    When are they resurrected? They do not need to sleep in death, but they are raised immediately when they die. The Bible explains: ?We shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised.??1 Corinthians 15:51, 52;

    The same happens for those with an earthly hope, the only ?originals? are those who survive Armeggedon.

    So how do you feel about that?
    Are you looking forward to seeing your reincarnated cloned loved ones?
    Do you want the opportunity to ask clones of Moses and Abraham what their ?original? life was like?
    Are you proud that God cloned his Son so that Jesus ver 2.1 could reign as King?

    What a strange god, playing with all his new-and-improved clones in Paradise.

    *** pe chap. 30 p. 255 What You Must Do to Live Forever ***
    So keep the picture of God?s promised new system of things bright in your mind and heart. Every day think about the grand prize that Jehovah God holds out to you?living forever in Paradise on earth. This is no dream. It is real!
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  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3

    Just another quote I found while researching this topic. LYAO to this one:

    *** g79 7/22 p. 27 Transition or Resurrection?Which? ***

    Jehovah God, Christ Jesus and the angels all have spirit bodies, and those who go to heaven receive similar spirit bodies. How big the bodies of spirit persons are?whether God, for example, has a much bigger body than Christ or the angels?or what their bodies look like, we do not know.

  • Scully
    Scully

    Send in... the clones...

    Love, Scully (sorry-I-couldn't-resist class)

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    I can see it now...............

    ARMAGEDDON, GOD WARS, EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONE

  • MerryMagdalene
    MerryMagdalene

    Thanks for bringing this topic up 'zeke. I am so awed by the intellectual depth and clarity (and humor-- good one Leolaia) of those who have posted here and on earlier threads re: death and resurrection (another nod to Leolaia). It has given me a lot to think about that I had never been able to reason through before on my own.

    All I knew was, growing up, the resurrection hope did not comfort me in the least and the idea of being non-existent until then totally freaked me out. How could God's memory of me actually BE me??? I remember telling my mom that I would rather burn in hell than just stop existing completely. And when my Grandad died and I was reassured that he was just sleeping until God woke him up in the New System, I developed a very serious death phobia that included severe insomnia (never treated, of course, because that would have meant getting help from a Worldly professional). Death = Sleep. Sleep? Me? No, thanks. Maybe in the New System.

  • City Fan
    City Fan

    Isn't the JW doctrine of resurrection a bit like the film 'Bladerunner'.

    There's a replicant or copy of someone in that film who is quite blissfully unaware of the fact that she is just a copy of the original real person.

    The JW view of paradise has all these millions of replicants running around with copied bodies and copied memories, while the original people are still 6 feet under.

  • ezekiel3
    ezekiel3

    Merry, you are quite welcome, and thanks to you for your experience.

    I believe that this concept of death/resurrection will become more critical in the next few years. Most JWs I know are now hitting their 50-60s and are realizing how close death is. It has never occured to them that they would die of old age - until now.

    There is the JW belief that "you are your body" or stated: you are a soul, you do not have a soul. So when your body dies, the definition of "you" dies. New body means new "you." Whether or not you accept that, realize this: never in the Bible has this ever happened. Either the recently dead were "raised up" in the same body, or like Jesus, the dead person was transformed into a spirit form.

    Inside the bubble, most JWs happily accept that they will be archived in God's memory. But any objective look at the doctrine shows it up as pure fairy tale. Even if it's true, who wants it?

    City Fan: Good Analogy!

    Just imagine, you have been resurrected and are living happily on your one acre parcel. One day, as you plow up your field, you unearth your own skull...

  • NeonMadman
    NeonMadman
    How big the bodies of spirit persons are?whether God, for example, has a much bigger body than Christ or the angels?or what their bodies look like, we do not know.

    Oh, thanks for that quotation - another adventure into Watchtower absurdity. If spirit bodies are immaterial, how the heck can they have a physical dimension such as SIZE?

    And, as I recently pointed out to my Sunday School class, the term "spirit body" does not occur in the Bible. The Bible does speak of a "spiritual body" which is a body of flesh and bones that has been glorified and made fit to live in heaven - such as the body that Christ had after His resurrection.

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